How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

by slimboyfat 57 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • LoveUniHateExams

    @SBF - yes, they do. Every one of the points you wrote is correct.

    But, what does this mean with regard to the current crop of GB and their outrageous beliefs and demands?

    Doesn't it mean that, by the JWs' own logic, the current GB's proclamation of Armageddon coming soon isn't definite, and therefore is unreliable? That JWs shouldn't set store by what the GB is telling them? That JWs do indeed have time to go to college, to university, and to live their lives in 'this system of things'?

    The WTS wants to have their cake and eat it. I won't let them do this.

  • Viviane
    Logical arguments only work with people are are already convinced. Amd persuasion only works with people who want to be persuaded.


    Logical arguments work on people who understand logic (good logic) and are willing to use it. Persuasion works on people who are willing to be persuaded by whatever they deem as important.

  • Viviane
    My experience and reading indicates to me that JWs tend to leave JWs, not because their beliefs have been refuted, but because the beliefs and practice of being a JW have been displaced by their needs being met elsewhere.

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  • Sanchy

    I think we all had different triggers that pushed us over the edge. There are those that are more "black-and-white" type folks that are convinced strictly with doctrinal facts. There are others that know many of the doctrinal problems within the JW faith but are not pushed completely out until they see some of the arrogant quotes published, the child abuse cover-ups, the hypocrisy with the UN membership and other similar scandals. Having said that, regardless of our reasons for leaving, we are all reinforced in TTATT as we get to know and come in contact with the growing exJW community.

    For me, I'd say it's a little bit of all, but my starting point was doubts about 1914.

  • Vidiot

    What Sanchy said.

    For me, it was realizing that evolution had to be true.

  • Ucantnome

    Having said that, regardless of our reasons for leaving, we are all reinforced in TTATT as we get to know and come in contact with the growing exJW community.

    I don't find this to bee true four me.

  • Vidiot

    Ucantnome - "I don't find this to bee true four me."

    Itt wuz definitlee troo four mee (sorry, couldn't resist :smirk:).

    I absolutely needed regular booster shots of the TATT my first couple of years after fading, for a whole shit-ton of reasons.

  • slimboyfat

    Viviane good post, except it's my side of the argument that is supported by experts in the subject of decision making, and others on the thread who are relying on their own experience.

    "If we think that we have reasons for what we believe, that is often a mistake"

    Prof Daniel Kahneman, Princeton University
  • Ruby456

    slim - viv does this all the time - take it as given that the evidence supports your side of the argument when viv intervenes. try it and you will find it makes sense. Once I'd cottoned on to this she stopped intervening on my threads.

  • Viviane

    Ruby, learn what words mean. Commenting on a public forum is not intervevening. You just say that because you have no evidence on your side.

    I quit commenting on your threads because I've lost interest in wallowing in bullshit. I literally quit caring enough because you don't care to better yourself. If you can't be bothered, why should I?

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