False reasoning behind some of the WT rules?

by nevaagain 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • nevaagain
    nevaagain

    What are some false reasoning's behind some of the WT rules?

    Birthdays:

    Why is it forbidden as a JW to celebrate birthdays? Just because at the only birthdays which are mentioned in the bible people got killed? What is the reasoning in that? Plus if you celebrate marriage anniversaries or other anniversaries, isn't it like celebrating a birthday? Birth of a marriage for example. I never saw the reasoning in that and always mention this fact even among other JWs. Most just nod ...

    Blood:

    The blood issue is more controversial between JWs. In the bible it says that blood is holy, so before consuming meat, it should be poured into the earth. That is fine by me. Where does it say, that you can not use it for medical purposes. And here comes the sad part, the WT values the holiness of blood over the Jehovahs gift of life.

    Feel free to add more false reasoning


  • TTWSYF
    TTWSYF

    Nevaagian- So many things to list. I totally agree with your conclusion that birthdays and anniversaries are very similar celebrations.

    My biggest example of false reasoning is 'lying for the truth' because you are allowed to blatantly lie, yet still call it truth. OMFG! How can anyone still fall for such failed reasoning?

  • Perry
    Perry
    the WT values the holiness of blood over the Jehovah's gift of life.

    The whole idea of blood being holy and sacred was to prepare people for a great deliverance from the death penalty prescribed to free moral agents (unlike animals) such as ourselves. The great millstone around every person's neck was going to be overturned one day - "The Wages of Sin is Death"

    Not just any blood is holy, that is the point the Watchtower fails to teach. They seem to teach that just any blood is sacred and holy, in itself.

    Jesus' blood is holy because he was without sin, did not posses a sin nature like us and he willingly paid the death penalty for the sins each of us are guilty of, if we accept the payment along with the agreement to have our sin nature taken away. Many people don't want their sin nature taken away. God honors choices. Our choices have eternal consequences.

    And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
    For this is my blood of the new testament [or covenant], which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Mt. 26: 27, 28

    Jesus shows in this scripture that his blood covenant is specifically for the remission of sins. Distinctively, the watchtower teaches that the New Covenant is for government positions in his Kingdom, and that it is only available to the mostly already dead 144K. (In other words, not available. Too bad you missed out)

    The whole convoluted blood doctrine(s) that the Watchtower teaches is designed to hide in plain sight the simple teaching that permanent escape from sin and death is available for "whosoever will".

    And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take of the water of life freely." (Revelation 22:17)

  • Divergent
    Divergent

    Rule: JW's are ONLY allowed to marry other JW's

    Their interpretation of 1 Corinthians 7:39 is TOTALLY WRONG, as highlighted in this excellent article (Sorry, quite a long article. Just read the parts highlighted in YELLOW only if it's too long):


    In 1 Corinthians 7:39 widows are told to marry “only in the Lord.”

    What does this mean?

    Context and background

    Let us begin by opening our Bibles to 1 Corinthians 7. As we skim through chapter 7 we are reminded that the topic of chapter 7 is marriage. The Corinthians have apparently asked some questions about God’s law regarding marriage and Paul is taking the opportunity at this point to address these questions. Verses 39-40 read, “A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord. But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my judgment–and I think I also have the Spirit of God.” (NKJV)

    Three possible answers

    What we will notice is that there are three scriptural answers to this question. To answer this question what we will do is look at the reasons for the position and against the position. Then we will draw some concluding remarks and leave the decision in your hands. In each answer, there are some difficulties in the answer. What we will look for is the answer with the least amount of difficulties. Unfortunately the phrase “only in the Lord” is unique to this place in the scriptures. We cannot go to another place in the New Testament and read the phrase “only in the Lord” to know how to apply the statement. If this had been the case, the answer would be much simpler. Further, the phrase “in the Lord” has a number of meanings in the New Testament. We will note these meanings later in our study. Therefore, there are three possible and scriptural answers that we will concern ourselves with. (1) widows can only remarry Christians. (2) widows could only remarry Christians because of the present distress, but does not apply now. (3) “in the Lord” means to marry according to the law of God. Let us now deal with each of these three positions.

    “Widows Can Only Marry Christians” position

    Arguments in favor

    This is the majority view. Nearly every commentary and scholarly work I picked up said that what Paul means in 1 Corinthians 7:39 is that a widow is only authorized to marry a Christian. The NIV translators were so sure that this is the meaning of the verse that they translated the verse differently to reflect this opinion. The NIV reads, “A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.” This is clearly an interpretation of the verse since all other translators render the phase “only in the Lord.”

    The greatest advantage to this position is that it is simple and straightforward. When reading this verse alone, it is the most natural answer to the passage. Further, the phrase “in the Lord” can refer to being a Christian. Romans 16:11, “Greet Herodion, my countryman. Greet those who are of the household of Narcissus who are in the Lord.” Here Paul is clearly speaking to those who are Christians. To make the argument stronger, in 1 Corinthians 7, the very same chapter of the verse in question, Paul uses “in the Lord” to refer to Christians. Notice 1 Corinthians 7:22, “For he who is called in the Lord while a slave is the Lord’s freedman. Likewise he who is called while free is Christ’s slave.”With this information before us and no other study done, it is easy to see why many would understand this passage to mean that a widow must only marry a Christian. If this was all that there was to the study, I would agree with the position present. However, let us notice the many difficulties that are presented by accepting such a viewpoint.

    Arguments against

    Let us begin with the most logical of arguments. No where in the scriptures do we read of any limitations upon whom a person may marry in regard to if they are Christians or not. In the very beginning, God commanded man to leave father and mother, be joined to his wife and the two become one flesh (Genesis 2:24). Jesus teaches this principle himself in Matthew 19:4-15. This is general authority for all people to become married, unless there is specific prohibition, as we find inMatthew 19. But there is no specific prohibition against a Christian marrying a non-Christian. Many will misuse 2 Corinthians 6:14 to say that Paul is discussing marriage. But Paul is not discussing marriage and to make this passage a law that Christians can only marry Christians is something God never said.

    Further, such an argument violates the very commands Paul gave earlier in 1 Corinthians 7. In 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 Paul answers the Corinthians question about some of them being married to unbelievers. He does not tell them that being married to unbeliever is sin. In fact, Paul teaches the opposite. Christians married to unbelievers are to remain in marriage (7:12-13). Further Paul says that by being married to the unbeliever he or she may become a Christian (7:16). To say that a widow must marry a Christian violates Paul’s teaching here that the marriage is sanctified if married to an unbeliever.

    If a widow marrying an unbeliever is a sin, then what must one do to repent of the sin? Put away the unlawful marriage. How else could a person repent of this action if it is a sin to marry an unbeliever? The only answer is through divorce. Is this what God has told us to do? Is this what we will preach to people that Christian widows must divorce unbelieving spouses? Again, this is in clear violation of Paul’s teaching in 1 Corinthians 7:12-16. Paul said if the unbeliever is content to dwell with the Christian, DO NOT DIVORCE.

    What would be the logical argument to teach that widows must only marry Christians, but all other Christians do not have to? How can we justify teaching that there is logical sense for widows to marry Christians and not have all other Christians marry Christians as well? If God would command it of widows, why not for the rest of us? Some argue that it is better for widows to marry Christians. But that is true of all people. Others argue that widows needed to marry a Christian so the widow would be taken care of. But this is true of all Christians also.

    If Paul was teaching widows to get remarried to only Christians, why did he not say that in his other letter regarding widows and marriage? Turn to Romans 7:2-3. In this passage Paul gives the exact same instructions as he does in 1 Corinthians 7:39 except he says nothing about marry Christians. Did Paul give a different command to the Corinthians than he did the Romans? Turn to 1 Timothy 5:3-16. Here Paul gives the instructions for widows in Ephesus. In verse 14 the younger widows are told to get remarried so that they will be taken care of. Nothing in this passage says that widows are to only marry Christians. Did Paul give a different command to the widows in Ephesus than he did in Corinth? No. We must be misunderstanding what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 7 since all of these difficulties arise from this position.

    Further, the statement by Paul in verse 39 would not make rational sense if “only in the Lord” refers to marrying Christians. Paul said that a widow is free to marry whomever she wishes. If a widow can only marry a Christian, then the widow is not free to marry whomever she wishes. It would be like me telling someone that they can go to any college in the United States as long as it is in West Palm Beach. The clause complete invalidates the statement about going to any college. This amounts to simple trickery. If Paul wanted to tell widows to only marry Christians, the simple statement would have been that widows are free to marry in the Lord. But he did not say it this way. He said they could marry whomever they wish. For “only in the Lord” mean marrying only Christians limits Paul’s statement of “marrying whomever they wish” to the point that it is not true.

    “Widows Can Only Marry Christians but Applied During Present Distress” position

    Arguments in favor

    There are many aspects of Paul’s writing in 1 Corinthians 7 that are said in the light of the present distress that the Corinthians were enduring. We see Paul make reference to this in 1 Corinthians 7:26, “I suppose therefore that this is good because of the present distress–that it is good for a man to remain as he is.” Paul certainly was not teaching that people for all time ought not be married. He said these words in light of the persecution that Corinthians were enduring. In verses 32-33 Paul explains why it is better to not be married during a persecution: “But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord–how he may please the Lord. But he who is married cares about the things of the world–how he may please his wife.”

    Further, it can be argued that verse 39 was written with the present distress in mind. This can be seen from the flow of the argument given inverse 40: “But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my judgment–and I think I also have the Spirit of God.” Paul said that she is happier to remain as she is. Was Paul saying that all widows are better off not marrying? No, that cannot be since he instructed younger widows to be married so that they would be taken care of in 1 Timothy 5:14. Obviously, Paul is says these words in light of the persecution. It would be better for widows not to get remarried during the present distress the Corinthians would be enduring. It can be contextually argued that Paul commanded widows that if they were going to remain during those difficult times, then they must marry a Christian.

    Arguments against

    But there are also some difficulties with this position. One problem is that the argument begins to pick and choose what commands were given because of the present distress and what were not. If there is a command that we do not like, then just attribute the command to the present distress. I do not believe we have the liberty to be so free with the commands of God. Unless the passage clearly speaks in such a way so as we know it is referring to the present distress, then we must be careful to simply throw away commands we do not like or cannot explain.

    Further, look carefully at verse 39 again. Is there anything in that verse which suggests that this command is referring to present distress? It does not seem to be the case. Further evidence of this is the fact that this principle that is given by Paul is given in other places in scripture. Romans 7:2-3 says the same thing as 1 Corinthians 7:39. Was Romans written in light of a present distress? No, it was not. It is a fundamental principle of marriage that a mate is bound to another as long as one of them lives. That was not a command that was true only in light of the present distress. It is a permanent command of God regarding marriage.

    We should also argue from logic. If this command was given because of a persecution, as the position argues, then what benefit would the widow have from marrying another Christian? If Christians are being persecuted, why would marrying a Christian be an advantage? It seems that the opposite is true, that it would be an advantage to marry an unbeliever and possibly be able to avoid the persecution. One who accepts this position must come up with a logic reason why it would be in the best interest of a Christian during a persecution to marry an unbeliever.

    “‘In The Lord’ Means According to the Law of God” position

    Arguments in favor

    The final way to look at this passage is to understand the statement “in the Lord” to not refer to marrying a Christian. Instead it is argued that “in the Lord” means according to the laws of God. There are many scriptures where the phrase “in the Lord” in used in such a way. Ephesians 6:1,“Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.” Colossians 3:18, “Wives, submit to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.”These are two clear passages where Paul used the phrase “in the Lord” to refer to obeying God’s will and not to being a Christian. Paul is not telling children to only obey their parents if their parents are Christians. He is telling children to obey their parents because that is God’s will. The same for wives in Colossians 3. Paul is not telling wives to only submit to Christian husbands. He is telling wives to submit because this is the will of God.

    Therefore Paul is telling the Corinthians that when a spouse dies, they are free to marry whomever they choose, according to the laws that God has given. In particular, they are free to marry according to the laws that Paul has just stated in chapter 7. Paul has just spent a whole chapter dealing with God’s legislation in marriage. Paul is reminding his readers that these commands are still in effect, even if your spouse dies.

    Arguments against

    The only objection in my mind to this position is that this position is not the most natural reading of the text. It does seem more natural to understand the passage as referring to marrying Christians. However, we have noted that while this may be a natural reading, it is full of too many conflicts and difficulties. Also, the use of the word “only” in verse 39 is a limiting factor. Paul is placing a limitation upon the widows in some sort of regard. Some argue that the word “only” is limiting the widows to only Christians. But this is not a necessary assumption.

    Conclusion:

    The three positions have been presented. I currently believe “only in the Lord” refers to being married according to God’s law because it has the least amount of difficulties and do not conflict with any other inspired word of God. In fact, in light of all the commands that Paul has given in 1 Corinthians 7, it seems like a natural reading for verse 39 to say that a widow is allowed to remarry whomever they wish, as long as they obey the commands Paul has just given.

  • Perry
    Perry
    The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. - 1 Cor. 7

    In the plainest reading (not to mention historical understanding) "In the Lord" refers only to those who accept the New Covenant for the remission of their own personal sins. (For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God - Col. 3:3)

    This is not meant to be a burden, but to create happiness and to avoid conflict:

    And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you - 1 Cor. 7
  • Divergent
    Divergent
    Even if you were to interpret it that way, it still makes more sense than the JW interpretation. Not that I agree entirely with your interpretation, just saying...
  • Stella3
    Stella3

    I am curious about where they get that 144,000 are the only ones that are supposed to partake in the blood and wine?

    Do they consider the apostles part of the 144,000 or is it 144,000 plus the people in the bible? 

  • millie210
    millie210

    Good ones mentioned above.

    One I was thinking of I will call "The Meeting Code"

    JWs are under enormous pressure to attend each and every meeting. Including the ones for field service.

    You can make zero advancement unless you follow this rule.

    But when the Org decided to do away with midweek book studies it was gone in a "poof".


    Just like that, everyone got their Tuesdays back and were still a good Christian. How could that be? How scriptural was it in the first place?

    What does that say about all the other mandatory meetings?

  • tor1500
    tor1500

    Hi,

    The Blood & Birthdays are issues because it makes a witness give up themselves....which we know they don't give. They barely give to one another....they don't even give you a ride to & from the hall..You could be walking in the snow/rain & a sister or brother would just past you by. Not to say that a blood transfusion is a normal thing, but in ones life, most of the time, most folks won't need it a blood transfusion...again I'm not down playing a blood transfusion, but it's easier to sacrifice something that you most likely will never have to....You follow...

    Birthdays....that means giving a gift...now all of you know Witnesses are cheap....but only spend money on what they want. They like to cry broke to sound more holy....like they'll make good points with God.

    Why haven't they banned eye shadow...I think one of the Idol worshippers (female) wore eye shadow...why isn't that a no no....

    The org. is all about control....that's the bottom line.

    Tor

  • westiebilly11
    westiebilly11

    On that basis they should ban lipstick.....it has origins as a way to attract mates as the red lips represent the female genitalia....! Hence ladies of the night/prostitutes wear such red lipstick for that same purpose..!

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