What's the point?

by Incognigo Montoya 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • Incognigo Montoya
    Incognigo Montoya

    It has always baffled me, if earth and it's inhabitants, are God's sole sentient creation (aside from the Angel's and demons) along with the animal life, why create such a vast galaxy, along with billions of other galaxies, with their trillions of stars and planets, etc. Why? What's the point? Our galaxy surely would've been enough, in a great void of blackness. If there is other life out there, wouldn't it too have to have been created by God? And then, if so, doesn't that complicate his "plan" and the question of sovereignty, raised by Satan? I could go on with the premise and theories, but ultimately, any life outside of our world would completely change the premise upon which christianity is founded. If there isn't, why go to such elaborate lengths to create so much?

  • silentbuddha

    Since the earth is his footstool maybe the other planets serve as ottomans for the 144000

  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    You don't understand the universe?????????

    I'm still struggling to understand why I swallowed the org's "truth" faster than a McDonald's chocolate milk shake!

  • I believe in overlapping
    I believe in overlapping

    but ultimately, any life outside of our world would completely change the premise upon which christianity is founded. If there isn't, why go to such elaborate lengths to create so much?

    It’s only been about 116 years since the Wright brothers made their brief flights with the first powered aircraft. The plane flew at 30 MPH. About 134 years before that, the first car was invented but it wasn’t mass produced for the average citizen until the 1900s.

    People in ancient times never traveled more than a few miles from home in any direction. Only the affluent could afford horses or camels. Since most people either grew their own food or lived near farmers from whom they could buy or barter for food, they had little need to travel.

    So most people had no idea “Who” lived in other countries—if there was such a thing as other people living in other parts of the earth.

    Consider the fact that it took Moses and about 3 million people 40 years to get from Egypt to the promise land (about 250 miles.) Today that is kind of laughable considering we can make such a trip in about 45 minutes via flight without God’s help and any need of manna to sustain us.🛩

    We have learned that there are trillions upon trillions of habitable planets in the Universe. So why haven’t we seen any alien civilizations?💆

    The reason is because our technology hasn’t advance to a point where we can travel immense distances in space in a short period of time.

    We are like Moses traveling to the promise land, (a distance of 250 miles) in 40 years. Their position in the spectrum of travel was still at the very bottom. We are not at the very bottom, but at the same time we are not even close to half in the spectrum of fast travel. As a human species we need to figure how to jump long distances in a small amount of time.


    When that time finally arrives, Christianity will be just another idea that will fade into the past, just like Zeus, Thor, and all the Greek Gods that lived on Mt. Olympus.

    And if as a species we make it that far and don’t kill ourselves, I think we will find other intelligent species.

    How they receive us is another story and it might not be very welcoming since we will be the Illegal-immigrants invading their world and their culture.


  • Bad_Wolf

    We haven't seen any other civilizations because of light speed. Hundreds, thousands, or millions of light years away means that is what we would see. And vice versa. If there was a planet with intelligent life light years away, if they had an insanely high powered telescope to view onto our land when no clouds covering, the distance away would be how many years in the past they were viewing. They would not see us today, but hundreds, thousands, or millions of years ago.

    Unless we ever developed the technology to travel faster than the speed of light, we will never get very far either. Same for other life elsewhere. So perhaps there is intelligent life on millions of planets right now but we won't see it in our lifetime if all began relatively the same time.

  • eyeuse2badub

    Yea it seems pretty silly to believe that jehober created the vast universe and then put puny man on a tiny planet inside a smallish galaxy and what we do down here on earth somehow impacts "universal sovereignty"!

    just saying!

  • Incognigo Montoya
    Incognigo Montoya

    Exactly, eyeuse!

  • apostatethunder

    The point is to remind man to fear God.


  • stillin

    But the thing is...we don't really know exactly what is meant by "angel" or "seraph" or "archangel" or some of the other designations of other forms of life out there. We were conditioned to think of them as some stupid picture on a page. Thanks a lot, WT.

  • sir82

    Scientists estimate that there are [orders of magnitude] more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on the earth.

    Obviously, not all stars have planets capable of supporting sentient life - but if only a tiny fraction of them do, that's millions or billions or trillions of earthlike planets.

    The Sahara desert contains a lot of sand, but it has only a tiny fraction of all the sand on earth.

    Imagine you are in the middle of the Sahara desert. One of those grains of sand around you is not just the most important grain of sand, it is the most important object in the entire universe, past, present, and future.

    One grain. Somewhere there. You might be standing on it. Or it might be 10 miles away. Or it might be 200 miles away 20 feet below the surface.

    All the rest of the grains of sand are meaningless.

    That's an approximation of how absurd the idea is that, out of all this vast universe, the "issue of universal sovereignty" is being played out here, and the attention of every single sentient being in the universe is focused on, not just the earth, but how well 8 pudgy guys in a corporate lakeside retreat in a remote corner of the earth coordinate a "worldwide preaching work".

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