The problem with Capitalism!---Billionaires

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  • pistolpete
    pistolpete

    As imperfect and flawed Capitalism is, it has worked better than other forms of economic and political systems-so far.

    It’s very simple in “Theory.” Capitalism is an economic and-or, political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

    In other words, keep Government out of it as much as possible. This does not mean having no social programs as a safety net for the elderly, sick, and those born with limitations. A civil society cares for those who are unable to care for themselves, but it does not mean citizens should care for those who are able to but refuse to work and contribute.

    In a Capitalistic economy, a person who invents some new technology, or discovers some new drug, should be rewarded, otherwise the incentive to risk everything will stifle progress in all fields.

    But how how much should one person be rewarded for a new idea??

    Jeff Bezos was worth 185 BILLION Dollars, before the divorce. His ex-wife walked away from her divorce with Jeff Bezos last July with 25% of his Amazon shares, then worth $36 billion. Since then, her fortune has nearly doubled as the pandemic has disrupted traditional retail.

    What about Jeff Bezos net worth today, Breaking the amount down, Bezos is making about $321 million a day,

    $13.4 million an hour,

    $222,884 a minute,

    and $3,715 a second this year.

    The largest single-day increase in Bezos's net worth is $13 billion, which he achieved on July 20, 2020,because of the pandemic. Remember, all small business owned retail stores were forced to close, almost a year now.

    The average two working couple in the USA makes “about” 63,000 dollars. That’s about 32,000 dollars each.

    THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY SOCIALISM IS OVERCOMING CAPITALISM IN AMERICA. It’s just not fair that ONE PERSON attains more wealth than he/she will be able to spend in a LIFETIME, while others are struggling to avoid becoming homeless.

    So WHAT IF, instead of being a sign of economic success, billionaires are a sign of economic failure? Is it possible that extreme wealth IS generally, more harmful than, a “Sign” that Capitalism works?

    How is Billionaire wealth attained? Is it all attain by invention? Absolutely Not! Approximately one third of billionaire ‘s wealth comes from inheritance.

    Here is the problem with that. It creates a new aristocracy who are rich simply because their parents were rich. And now these inheritors who didn’t work at creating something beneficial for humanity, and may actually be idiots, have now inherited the power over your average citizen, (masses-sheeple) This is how idiots with power are born.

    Whether inherited or secured in other ways, extreme wealth takes on a momentum of its own that cannot be overlooked. For example; Bill Gates was worth nearly $100 billion dollars in 2019, almost TWICE what he was worth when he stepped down as head of Microsoft. This is despite his admirable commitment to giving his money away.

    BUT there’s more!

    Didier Jacobs, a researcher at the London School of Economics, calculated a few years ago that another third of billionaire wealth comes from crony connections to government and monopoly, for example as when billionaires secure concessions to provide services exclusively from government, using crony connections and corruption.

    “The Economist has developed a similar measure of crony capitalism with similar findings. What is clear is that corruption and crony connections to governments are behind a significant proportion of billionaire wealth.”

    “Almost all sectors of our global economy are now characterized by monopoly power, as is detailed by Nick Shaxson in his great newbook, the Finance Curse. Whether food, pharmaceuticals, media, finance, or technology, each sector is characterized by a handful of huge corporations.”

    President Franklin Roosevelt famously said that

    “Government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob.”

    These monopolies impose hidden monopoly taxes on every consumer, as it enables these companies, and their wealthy shareholders, to extract excessive profits from the market, directly fueling the growth in extreme wealth at the expense of ordinary citizens.

    Behind corporate power and corporate actions is increasingly the power of super-rich shareholders.

    Once billionaire wealth is accumulated, the way it is used also casts doubt on how useful it is to have billionaires. The super-rich use their wealth to pay as little tax as possible, making active use of a secretive global network of tax havens, as revealed by the Panama Papers and other exposes.

    Billionaires can also buy impunity from justice, buy politicians, and buy a pliant media, and influence elections.

    This active political influencing by the super-rich directly drives greater inequality, by constructing reinforcing feedback loops, in which the winners of the game get even more resources to win even bigger next time.

    So, do you all thing there should be a cap on how much ONE PERSON SHOULD BE REWARDED?

    Should there be a cap on How Much Children of the Billionaire should receive as inheritance?

    Would implementing these two rules be an incentive for people to stop praising Socialism, and asking the Political leaders to get rid of all forms of Capitalism?

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    do you all thing there should be a cap on how much ONE PERSON SHOULD BE REWARDED?

    Should there be a cap on How Much Children of the Billionaire should receive as inheritance? - no, and no.

    Equality of opportunity is essential but we must have unequal outcomes. If we don't have unequal outcomes we don't have freedom of choice or a free society at all.

    The poor and disadvantaged need safety nets but as Thomas Sowell said 'how much of someone else's money that you didn't earn do you deserve?'

    So, how much is Bezos worth? $20 billion?

    Billionaires could give each person on Earth 3 dollars - what good would that do? Alcoholics will spend it on cans of beer.

    Quite a few of the world's billionaires do put a lot of their money to good use through charities, as does the British Royal Family. The huge amount of money these people has enabled them to do good humanitarian work in a capitalist society.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    Should there be a cap on How Much Children of the Billionaire should receive as inheritance?

    There used to be an inheritance tax, but it's mostly been removed on the first $12 million. This makes 99% of the population exempt from the "death" (inheritance) tax. Thus I guess "billionaires" are still affected. But they likely have everything put into trusts to protect their assets for future generations.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY SOCIALISM IS OVERCOMING CAPITALISM IN AMERICA - we must be careful how we use words.

    Social projects aren't the same as socialism; in other words, Sweden isn't a socialist country. It's a capitalist country with a left-leaning electorate, hence the popularity of social projects. What you're talking about is the popularity of social ideas and projects. In the US, as well as in Sweden, these social projects can only be funded by capitalist profit.

  • FedUpJW
    FedUpJW

    It’s just not fair that ONE PERSON attains more wealth than he/she will be able to spend in a LIFETIME, while others are struggling to avoid becoming homeless.

    Yeah, we must find a way to make low effort equal high reward. And also find a way to make high effort yield low reward. Now THAT would be fair!

    Should there be a cap on How Much Children of the Billionaire should receive as inheritance?

    Of course. When someone who has amassed a fortune through hard work, long hours, and high effort dies the government should confiscate every last penny of their estate and give it to the "poor". After all it is not the "poor" people's fault they have less, so they should once again have low effort rewarded by high reward.

    I would like to have all the perks of the so-called rich, but I am satisfied with what I have earned and paid for with my own two hands. My hands were made to work, not to hold out waiting for someone to give me what I did not work for, and what I have no right to just because they have it and I do not. Perhaps the government should mandate that wealthy people give their "ice cream money" to the government or other people? That would be more fair, would it not?

  • road to nowhere
    road to nowhere

    Monopoly laws. I just found out ROKU which is competition for Fire stick uses amazon servers.

    Then look at the tax deals big companies get from cities to add $12 hour no benefit jobs.

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000
    Equality of opportunity is essential but we must have unequal outcomes.


    It's not that we have to have unequal outcomes, but they are simply a natural product of having a system that rewards people differently. And that is fine.


    But even equal opportunity is not really equal. What that means is that from a policy perspective, the rules should be the same across the board for everybody. But this does not make opportunity equal for everybody. Joe Biden's son was given immense opportunity by the sheer luck of being born into his family. The same with Trump's kids. They didn't do anything to deserve that. It simply fell on their lap, and so did a world of opportunities that we don't have. But all we can do is to ensure that at a minimum the laws are the same of everybody.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    You claim Bezos' net worth is undeserved.

    His money employs 1M people directly and many more indirectly, the majority of those are well paid.

    So let's say you take all his assets and equity and money and divide it up, even just amongst his employees, now you have a bunch of people with just under $190k in the bank, barely enough to buy a nice house, but in the process you made those people unemployed. Because his money is not in the bank, his money is tied up in Amazon and if Amazon needs to liquidate assets to pay off some socialist redistribution scheme, it ceases to exist.

    Bezos is worth $185B, sure but he doesn't have $185B in the bank, he maybe has $100M in 'cash'. Still nice, but nowhere near enough to simply take and redistribute. ~$62.06B of the value (according to Wikipedia) of Amazon is equity (a form of debt).

    Okay you say, then let's raise taxes on Amazon so a part of that revenue goes back. How much you ask? 8%, that's a nice number, it's the sales tax for a lot of states. Okay, but you already collected the sales tax, so this is another tax on what they already paid taxes on. But sure, every $ they make, collect 8c. Amazon currently has a profit margin of just under 2%. That means they'd have to liquidate 6% of the company every year to pay these extra taxes or raise the prices which makes them less competitive and thus makes them go out of business faster.

    Every company eventually goes out of business, taxes simply accelerate that process by siphoning off money. And for what really? Back in the day people made 25c/h in 1929 - or $3.84/h adjusted for inflation. People at the lowest ends of the income pool now make $15/h on average. They got 5x richer compared to 100 years ago, basically an American at minimum wage should have a living standard of the average middle-class American - AND THEY DO! What poor folk were able to afford cars and phones back in the day? How is giving more money going to help them in any way?

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000
    Bezos is worth $185B, sure but he doesn't have $185B in the bank,

    Right and it's an important fact. It's not like Bezos is hoarding money in a warehouse like uncle Scrooge swimming in it.

    That net worth is in value, not currency. Much of that value is basically companies that provide jobs and contribute to the economy.

    Nobody should be upset that he has that amount of money. If anything, what is unfair is that many billionaires have a battalion of accountants making sure they pay nothing in taxes. But again, that's not his fault, it's due to the ridiculous tax code we have.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    I think again everyone has agreed that basic capitalism under a democratic method of selecting leadership has proven to the most successful at sustaining a decent standard of living. And I think we all have agreed that not all of society's needs can be addressed using market economics and competition alone. Some social safety net and governmental oversight is needed.

    Market forces are good at making cars and shoes but lousy at ensuring human rights and safety are protected. Capitalism tends to be short sighted, the imperative to be efficient and competitive pressures industry leaders to bring to market products that supply profit not necessarily best serve the people. At times when the issues require foresight and public sacrifice too often the industrial machinery is actually obstructive. Like I said before no one wants to sell health insurance to sick and elderly people. No industry wants to retool and engage in expensive research to change methods of production for the benefit of future generations or to prevent cancer that may only appear 20 years later. Green washing and corporate platitudes are now part of the game, industry spends billions on market slogans and disinformation. I don't know anyone who would disagree with what I've said so far.

    What I find most frustrating it that if we keep talking past each other, not listening. Fear, distrust and sadly disinformation are dividing us, not actual values in most cases. True, some of us do perceive a need earlier than others because of personal experience or research, in such cases, patient education and insightful appeals to better natures is the only course. Of course, even when we agree a problem exists there are more than one solution to any given issue...more civil discourse and patient exchange of ideas...we can't get tired of this time tested method of improving the human condition.

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