Is the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses really an inferior form of Christianity?
In this context no, "Jews" are not "people of a certain faith". Jews in Nazi Germany were imprisoned and killed on the basis of their ethnicity not their religion. Some would have been religious, others were secular. They were not targeted based on adherence. Those who had converted to Christianity for example were targeted just the same as those who attended synagogue.
I did not bring up Nazi Germany. I did not say JWs are superior to other forms of Christianity.
I just said that the principle of not killing fellow members in other countries in the event of war is a pretty good one, and one way in which JWs appear to have a superior set of beliefs to other Christians. And it's hard for other faiths to give a good answer to that.
One good point, if you can prove it even is that (and you haven't) doesn't make the Witnesses a good religion of any kind.
For the sake of argument, let’s say it is just a bunch of legends, that the Bible is just completely made up mythology.
Even as a bunch of false stories, you cannot convince me that the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their stuffy, self-righteous Governing Body compose the spiritual inheritors of the Holy Scriptures.
And what a mythology it is! Miracles, seas parting, mountains burning and shaking, the dead being brought back to life!
What does the Watchtower have? Some story about coal being delivered to one of the buildings in Brooklyn Heights, once seen as a miraculous sign from Jehovah on where to put the world headquarters, buildings now being sold off and abandoned? Another story on how anti-Semitic, oft drunken Judge Rutherford and his colleagues get released from jail in 1919? That’s it? Boy, those who make a movie of those miracles are sure going to have a time making those scenes come to life, right? Not!
What about the grand throngs of worship in the Temples? Herod’s Temple was one of the Seven Ancient Wonders of the World! You want me to believe that the inheritors of true worship are now blessed to be building on a plot of land that has been poisoned with toxic waste? Have you seen the size of those stones on the Western Wall? The “great building work of Jehovah’s Witnesses” is a wannabe by comparison!
And the marvelous culture and tradition of the people of the Bible, the many holy days and rituals associated with them: you’re telling me that JWs are the modern-day representation of this religion, the group that won’t celebrate even Arbor Day?
This group that shuns former members, even if they are blood relations, is not of the same cloth as those who recorded Jesus’ parable of the Prodigal Son, the one where the father watches each day for the return of his sinful child and, when the boy does return, embraces him with love even before he begs forgiveness. The JW religion claims this beautiful, heart-warming and rich mythology as their heritage?
They wish. They aren’t worth the spit of the people and culture these tales came from, even if they are just legends and myths.
Inferior? The JWs are an insult to this rich tradition, even if it’s just a mythology.
the principle of not killing fellow members in other countries in the event of war is a pretty good one - it is a good principle, although one that ISIS members adhere to.
And JWs are most certainly not pacifists - they worship a god whom they believe killed lots of people, even babies. They're also eagerly wanting their god to kill billions of people very soon ...
Isis kill fellow Muslims all the time.
Isis kill fellow Muslims all the time - ISIS don't view them as Muslims ...
I think they view mainstream Sunni Muslims as lapsed and a potential source of new recruits. Shias they probably view as apostates. I don't know a lot about this. But I'm sure they kill plenty of their "own" too, by whatever definition, among all that mess. It seems inevitable in all that carnage.
This group that shuns former members, even if they are blood relations, is not of the same cloth as those who recorded Jesus’ parable of the Prodigal Son, the one where the father watches each day for the return of his sinful child and, when the boy does return, embraces him with love even before he begs forgiveness. The JW religion claims this beautiful, heart-warming and rich mythology as their heritage?This story of the prodigal son, myth or otherwise is in stark contrast to the Father figure the WT projects.
Yes, I think you're probably right.
'ISIS Muslims' found guilty of capital offenses are punished like the others.
My point on JWs not being pacifists stands, I think.
Inferior ... yes. As a form of Christianity. The lack of true charity towards other people, the lack of true brotherly love, shunning those who have not sinned against them, asking those of lesser means for money, etc. The big kicker is professing to be Christian while wholeheartedly sidelining Christ & replacing him with unworthy men.
I would say, JWs are followers of Saul, rather than Christ. Far too Mosaic Code to be Christian. They figuratively hunt and "kill" those of their brethren who may disagree. So, yes, that makes them inferior.
Also, they only have one celebration which is anything but a celebration. It's a depressing funeral ceremony (not a joyful wake/memorial).
In interest of my discussion with Slimboyfat, I searched for help from a couple of friends. The following is an excerpt from an email sent by a Jewish teacher of religion, Carlos Campos, who having read the post and discussion and hearing my question, has allowed me to post the following:
"We Jews are technically-speaking an 'ethnoreligion,' or a tribe. We do not share one single line of DNA, and traditionally we have included non-Hebrews in the tribe since the time of Abraham. Today there are Semitic Jews, Asian Jews, African (Black) Jews, and Latino Jews. I myself am Sephardic.
It is not accurate to say that Jews who were victims of the Shoah were chosen solely on the basis of race. That was the Nazi argument, but science has since proven that their ideas regarding race were unscientific. Some anthropologists today feel that all discussion of 'race differences' are without scientific basis.
Jews cannot be totally separated from their religion, even if they are secular Jews. We are Jews because of a religion as well as being members of a tribe connected in one way another with the line of Abraham. They are inseparable elements of our identity. We are a people of a particular faith because we are defined by a religion, even if we claim to be non-religious.
...Lastly, in reference to the Bible Students who suffered along with us and others in the concentration camps, their choice was not based on solidarity with the Jews or even a disagreement with the Nazi state in particular but due to a hatred of all the world, all its governments, and due to a belief that all other religions are not of God. They neither saw us [Jews] as fellow servants of God then during the Shoah nor do they now.
To illustrate my point: A Witness fellow by the name of Larry Alford once told me, some twenty or so years ago, that the reason the Muslims now occupy the Temple Mount is a sign from God that we, the Jews, have been rejected by God. We rejected Jesus and killed him and thus as a whole we have been rejected as a people. The Islamic shrine is a way of God letting us Jews know that we are no longer God's covenant people. We are rejects. The Muslim dome is meant to be an insult from Heaven and constant reminder of this.
While those Bible Students who suffered in the Shoah were nevertheless courageous to take their stand, the pacifism may not be genuine. There seems to be an underlying hatred for non-Witnesses at the basis of it. It isn't even referred to as 'pacifism' by their own choice but instead as 'neutrality' to secular issues. The same religion teaches that God is destined to slaughter all non-Witnesses is the upcoming war of Armageddon. Looking forward to the slaughter of people in an upcoming war is not pacifism by any definition.
To insist that the Jews in the concentration camps were not a people of a faith is view of equal hatred, in my opinion. Were it not for the Jews, the Gentiles would not have their monotheistic religions they claim have superseded our own. Sadly I have grown old in a world that has still not halted Hitler's decision to define us by standards we did not invent."