New Covenant in this week's coverage

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  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    You can see the "out of" point with the "great crowd." They are "out of" (Greek particle ek) "every nation and tribe and people and tongue." It is obvious that the writer means that the great crowd is a sub-group from among those larger groups. (Many commentaries also see that description of the great crowd as an allusion to the Abrahamic covenant.)

    Similarly, the 144,000 are "out of" (same Greek particle ek) all the tribes of Israel. And each sub group of 12,000 are "out of" each tribe. This whole group of 144,000 are a sub group of a larger group described as,"all the tribes of the sons of Israel."

    As was pointed out, the great crowd is seen working in the "sanctuary" (Greek naos) where it would be forbidden for people outside of the covenant to be.

    They've made themselves "white in the blood of the Lamb." This relates them to being in the New Covenant.

    Rev 7:16-17 is a quotation from Isa 49:9-10 which describes God's people being restored to their covenant heritage.

    Everything about the passage speaks of the great crowd being in a covenant relationship with God. The fact that WT commentary on this passage disregards all that can only mean that their commentary is nothing but a self-serving lie.

    Incidentally, see this post to see how the two groups in Rev 7 relate to seals 5 & 6 in Rev 6

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister

    UH-Oh.....just found out what happens to false prophets in Revelation 20 😲

    Give you a little heads up....it ain't pretty.

    Just thought I'd mention it in case Ken Cook is the GB "Apostate monitor" this week...😬him being new n'all

  • waton
    waton
    two groups in Rev 7

    Bc: The 2 groups in Rev 7--:

    1) the 12 tribe, the Great Crowd both only in the New Covenant, and

    2) the 144 thousand that in addition to the NC are also in the Kingdom Covenant.

    The New Covenant forgives sin, brings us all back to Adam's right to life on Earth,

    The 144 k have to sacrifice that right, as the second Adam Jesus did too,

    Not endorsing but trying to make logical sense of it

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    WatonThe 144 k have to sacrifice that right, as the second Adam Jesus did too,

    Just wondering ( because I haven't a clue) it says in Rev 20 that those who were martyrs ( you were right, beheaded) who rule as kings and priests, will do so for 1000 years. Watchtower claims they do so forever as I recall. Do you know where we got that idea from, or is it a "Watchtower Own brand™️" scripture(less)😄

  • waton
    waton

    Watchtower claims they do so forever as I recall. Do you know where we got that idea from, or is it a "Watchtower Own brand™️" scripture(less)😄Do you know where we got that idea from,

    Ds: sorry have no direct references, but Eulalia or Blondie surely could.

    Since the talking snake raised an universal, cosmic issue, and wt's "kingdom rule" will solve all that in connection with the "seed", meaning individuals, it is easy to see where the dream of a 1000 year Reich can really mean the whole shebang.

    Kingdoms:

    the eternal "kingdom of th crator. Big J.

    The kingdom exercised through the Jusges,

    Th kingdom of the Judean, Isreal kings,

    The kingdom of The Sons Love, since Pentecost, among his enemies,

    the kingdom of 1914,

    the millennium,

    the everlasting kingdom.

    Enough for all. according to wt writers all listed above are "expressions of God's sovereignty" In the meantime, life seems to be flourishing, our problem to keep it under control.

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