"Library Card" Defense refuted

by hooberus 24 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  hooberus

  Watchtower 1976 10/15 632-6
  

  The "mark" of the beast would identify the one having it as belonging to that "wild beast," giving it full support. Ellicott's Bible Commentary notes that the mark 'surely means the acquiescence to the principals of this tyrannical world-power.'

  In modern times, the Christain body, known world wide as Jehovah's Witnesses, has experienced from the "wild beast" the same things as first-century Christians. Take the African county of Malawi, for example. There all citizens have been required to become members of the country's only existing political party, the "Malawi Congress Party." A membership card costing about twenty-five cents (U.S.) identifies the bearer as 'acquiescing to the principals of the ruling political party,' . . .

  As Jehovah's Witnesses they value their relationship to God and Christ above everything else. Were they to identify themselves as giving unquestioning support to any politcal arrangement, they would be acting contrary to the Bible's teaching that all human governmental systems exist by God's toleration only until such time as he chooses to replace them by his kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ. (Dan. 2:44; 7:13, 14) Jehovah's Witnesses have promised to give unqualified allegiance exclusively to God and Christ. Any act on their part that would indicate otherwise, therefore, would be an act of disloyalty. Such an act would be taking away from God and Christ their rightful due and would be worship fo the "wild beast."

  No matter how insignificant the act required may seem, a Christian's engaging in such worship would mean his being disloyal to God and Christ.

  Comments: In order to get the insignificant twenety-five cent Malawi poltical card an applicant would be 'acquiescing to the principals of the ruling polital party" they would by receiving this card act be taking the mark of the beast, because in order to get the card they would have to indicate that they support and acquiescing to the principals of the political entity.

  The Watchtower in order to receive their "card" had to register as an NGO and agree to:

  a) The NGO must support and respect the principles of the Charter of the United Nations;
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  Euphemism

  Thanks for digging up that quote, hooberus. I've always thought that the Malawi business was particularly what made the NGO registration so hypocritical.
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  hawkaw

  Please click here regarding another 1976 WT article (discussed on the thread's page 2) and the 1991 WT which uses the quote from Muller.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/27169/1.ashx

  and also

  http://www.geocities.com/plowbitch69

  hawk
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  hawkaw

  One other thing hooberus - thanks and well done!

  hawk
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  hooberus

  "The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly, but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the foundation of the world." Revelation 17:8 NWT

  "We cannot but admire the high principles embodied in the proposed League of Nations, formulated undoubtedly by those who have no knowledge of the great plan of God. This fact makes all the more wonderful the ideals which they express. Watchtower February 15, 1919 p. 51

  The "mark" of the beast would identify the one having it as belonging to that "wild beast," giving it full support. Ellicott's Bible Commentary notes that the mark 'surely means the acquiescence to the principals of this tyrannical world-power.' Watchtower October 15, 1976 p. 632

  a) The NGO must support and respect the principles of the Charter of the United Nations;

  
  
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  Swan

  I have a question perhaps someone could answer:

  If it was just a library card, why did they have to submit certain articles in accordance with the principles of the United Nations? What was their answer to this, does anyone know?

  Tammy
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  Odrade

  seems to me there's a difference between acquiesce (as in the case of the political party card,) and support (as in the NGO application.)

  My dictionary defines acquiescense to: submit or comply silently without protest, (or in legal terms): failure to take legal proceedings, thereby implying the abandonment of a right. (Random House Webster's College dic.)

  I don't get "unquestioning support" out of "acquiescence":

  Were they to identify themselves as giving unquestioning support to any politcal arrangement, they would be acting contrary to the Bible's teaching that all human governmental systems exist by God's toleration only until such time as he chooses to replace them by his kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ.

  Odrade
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  waiting

  Were they to identify themselves as giving unquestioning support to any politcal arrangement, they would be acting contrary to the Bible's teaching that all human governmental systems exist by God's toleration only until such time as he chooses to replace them by his kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ.

  Only the WT would consider a person buying a $.25 political card to save your life, your family's lives, your family from being raped, etc.,..........as "giving unquestioning support to any political arrangement."

  And where did the "unquestioning" come from? Ok, they were asked to give $.25 worth of support. But so did the brothers in Mexico at the same time - they joined the Mexican military & then bribed the officials to not be called to active duty...and the GB said it was ok 'cause all Mexicans bribed officials. And WT gave political support to the UN....through their Awake articles.

  Who gave more support? A man giving $.25 for a card.....or a worldwide organization printing & handing out free millions of Awakes having supportive articles for the UN governmental organization repeatedly published in them.

  Seems to me, the Malawi brothers/sisters were raped, tortured & slaughtered so that the WT could look different from the rest of the world. A publicity *situation.*

  Thanks, hoo, for the information.

  waiting
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  happyout

  This was actually the first thing that came to my mind after hearing about the "library card". Thanks, Hooberus, for doing the research.

  Also, waiting, great post. Just another day in hypocritical JW paradise.

  Happyout
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  waiting

  Thanks, happyout!

  Hello Odrade - welcome to our forum & thanks for the definitions.

  "If someone *submits or complies silently without protest* (Malawi brothers) by buying the $.25 political card, then that person is still supporting that governmental system. It doesn't matter how much, or how little, it's still support."

  This, if I remember correctly, was the WT's stance as thousands of Malawi JW's were tortured, raped & murdered for that $.25 political card.

  a) The NGO must support and respect the principles of the Charter of the United Nations;

  I believe the WT (actively becoming a card-carrying NGO with the UN) proved "support and respect to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations" through numerous Awake magazine printed articles supporting the United Nations' efforts.

  The WT then *encouraged* JW's to *contribute* for these same mags at the Literature Desk....ironically, we usually paid $.25 for each of them. If there weren't enough *contributions* to cover mags - the congregation must pay for these mags.

  Then the WT *encouraged* a show of faith in Jehovah by worldwide JW's going out in field service and placing these same UN-supporting Awakes with millions of persons. lol - and then asking for contributions.

  Haven't done the math..........but $.25 a mag paid at the Literature Desk (or by congregation) for millions of copies of one Awake mag. times how many articles.....about a dozen? Comes out to some big money spent by the WT to prove to the NGO admittance committee (not proper name) that the WT was worthy of being an NGO with the UN "political arrangement."

  Malawi JW's - refused to give $.25 to "any political arrangement" and were tortured, raped & murdered. The WT wrote articles *commending their faithful stand till death* in the Awake magazines, enforcing the belief that it was necessary to be killed for $.25 political card if we wanted Jehovah's approval.

  WTBTS - collected millions of $.25 from other JW's for Awake articles they wrote in support of the UN - which is part of "any political arrangement." Then gave these same millions of Awakes to worldly persons promoting the UN principles.