Does Jesus Live Inside JW's ?

by Sea Breeze 45 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • vienne

    To suggest that Jesus in spread among all faithful, literally dwelling in them by some spirit indwelling is Spiritualism. And it is not the thought behind the original Greek preposition which while its basic meaning is 'in' is more faithfully rendered: (2 Corinthians 13:5 NLT): "Examine yourselves to see if your faith is genuine. Test yourselves. Surely you know that Jesus Christ is among you; if not, you have failed the test of genuine faith."

    Alternatives would be "in your midst" "in union with." The NW translators chose "in union." The thought, then, is that Christ is in the body of faithful believers as our faith is in him. [See M. R. Vincent's comment]

    Adam Clarke pointed out that the the examination Paul suggests is used of coinage. Coinage would be weighed, its content tested, and the false, the counterfeit, would be revealed. So, commenting on that portion of the verse we examine in this post, Clarke wrote: "If base metal be mixed with the pure you can readily detect it; as as easily may you know that you are in the faith ..."

    Christ dwells among true Christians by Holy Spirit, not by dividing himself up in little pieces to somehow inhabit the body of individual Christians. He is "in" faithful Christians by their living and observing the true faith.


  • carla

    I don't know any mainstream Christians who believe jw's are 'Christian' in any sense of the word. The only ones that lump jw's in with Christianity are jw's themselves, proclaiming they are Christian and those who know nothing about jw current beliefs. (which can change on dime at the whim of a few men in NY)

  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    carla, numerous dictionaries and encyclopedias in their entry about Jehovah's Witnesses say they are a Christian sect (or a Christian denomination or a Christian group), and thus say the religion is Christian. A number scholars even say the ancient Gnostics were Christians.

    A number of surveys of religion, including specifically of Christianity, also classify Jehovah's Witnesses as Christians. For example, says "Jehovah’s Witnesses identify as Christians, but their beliefs are different from other Christians in some ways." Notice it didn't say they different "from Christians', but rather "from other Christians", thus saying they are Christians. The article also says "Like many other highly religious Christians, Jehovah’s Witnesses tend to take conservative positions on social issues." says "Other Christians, such as Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, make up the remaining 1% of the global Christian population."

    The following is a clarification of what I said in a prior post regarding my words of "'in regards to what the WT has lyingly said of so-called apostates (that all of them lie about the WT), I didn't know such was the case until years after I became baptized." By that I meant that I didn't know (until many years after my baptism) that the WT was lying when it said that all apostates (that which the WT calls apostates of the JW religion) lie about the WT. I learned years after my baptism that many apostates in their attacks of the WT's teachings accurately quote WT literature (without misrepresenting the quotes), instead of lying about the WT.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    To suggest that Jesus in spread among all faithful, literally dwelling in them by some spirit indwelling is Spiritualism.

    @Vienne (Annie) - And that is the point of my post. If Jesus is merely an angel, no other conclusion could be reached. Yet, the idea of Jesus inhabiting each born-again believer is peppered throughout the NT.

    What does it mean that Christ is in us?

    Many passages of Scripture communicate that Jesus Christ lives within those who trust Him for salvation (2 Corinthians 13:5). While this is an astonishing truth, it isn’t easy to grasp. Not only is Jesus Christ alive today, but through God’s Holy Spirit—called the “Spirit of Christ” in Romans 8:9—He lives and dwells within every child of God. The life of Christ in us is our hope of eternal glory. The apostle Paul called the indwelling of Christ a great mystery: “To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:27).

    Paul often spoke of Christ taking up residence in the hearts of those who accept Him as Lord and Savior. When he prayed for the believers in Ephesus, Paul longed for their faith to deepen so that Christ would be at home in their hearts: “I pray that from his glorious, unlimited resources he will empower you with inner strength through his Spirit. Then Christ will make his home in your hearts as you trust in him. Your roots will grow down into God’s love and keep you strong” (Ephesians 3:16–17, NLT).

    When a person believes in Jesus, he or she is united to Christ, first in His death and then in the newness of His resurrection life. The apostle Paul said, “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me” (Galatians 2:20). Paul explained to the church in Rome, “For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives. Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised to life as he was” (Romans 6:4–5, NLT).

    Our old selves—full of rebellion, sin, and unbelief—died with Christ, who paid the penalty for our sins on the cross. Through our union with Christ in His death, we are made alive by God’s Spirit to walk in the newness of life because we have been made right with God (Romans 8:10). Our lives become a vehicle to display the life of Christ: “For God, who said, ‘Let light shine out of darkness,’ made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ. But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us. We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed. We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body” (2 Corinthians 4:6–10; see also Galatians 1:15–16).

    In our ordinary human condition of weakness, we are but jars of clay holding a priceless treasure—the life of Christ in us. The challenges we face, the persecution, trials, hardship, and suffering we endure, serve to pour out the all-surpassing power of God and reveal the life of Jesus Christ to those around us. We can rest assured that we will not be overcome in all these afflictions because we have the treasure of Jesus Christ living in us.

    In 2 Corinthians 2:15, Paul likened the lives of those who share the gospel to “a Christ-like fragrance rising up to God” (NLT) and “the pleasing aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing” (NIV). With Christ in us, as we spread the good news of salvation in Jesus, we diffuse His fragrance to a lost and dying world.

    In 1 Corinthians 6:19, Paul states, “Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own.” After we receive Jesus as Lord, He becomes our master. In the booklet My Heart Christ’s Home (InterVarsity Press, 1954), author Robert Munger imaginatively describes the Christian life as a house. When Jesus enters, He goes from room to room. In the library of our minds, Christ sorts through the garbage, cleaning out the worthless trash. In the kitchen, he deals with our unhealthy appetites and sinful desires. At the dining room table, He serves us the bread of life to satisfy our hungry souls and pours living water for us to drink and never be thirsty again. Through dark hallways and closets, Jesus uncovers all the places where sin hides. He works His way through every nook and cranny until His love, mercy, forgiveness, and grace have filled every space. This allegory presents a beautiful picture of what it means to have Christ in us.

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    Christianity is not behavior modification. It is not about trying harder, running faster, or jumping through hoops. Jesus does it all for the believer.... from the inside. He made us. He knows what he is doing.

  • carla

    I live with a jw, I know full well they are NOT Christians. I am well acquainted with their current doctrines, flip flops, flashing light (new & old light and back again) and ungodly history of this insidious cult. Not to mention their pedophile cover up and everything else they sweep under the carpet so they can appear to be 'clean' when in reality they are nothing but white washed tombs.

  • carla

    "Christianity is not behavior modification. It is not about trying harder, running faster, or jumping through hoops. Jesus does it all for the believer.... from the inside."-

  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    Hi carla. It is OK to me that you are convinced that JWs are not Christians.

  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    Sea Breeze, what is recorded at Luke 14:33 as a saying attributed to Jesus is a very hard saying to emotionally accept (at least for me). It is one of the sayings attributed to Jesus which I consider to be disturbing, like the rich Jewish man (who sincerely claimed to keep all of the laws of the Torah) being told by Jesus to give away all of his belongings to the poor (If the rich man wanted to be "perfect" and inherit "everlasting life") [Mark 10:17-25; Matthew 19:16-24; Luke 18:18-26]. I don't want to give up all of the things I own. I also don't want to give up my living body and I don't want to give up my life either.

  • BettyHumpter
  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    I don't want to give up all of the things I own. I also don't want to give up my living body and I don't want to give up my life either.

    Look at all the times you used the words "I" and "my" in your statement above. (16 %) This imagined ownership is an illusion born in a depraved mind. (Which we all have until regeneration) You or I don't actually own anything. Jesus once said, "What do you have that you didn't first receive" ? The reality is that everything we own, even our own life was first given to us.

    Jesus is challenging us to trust him, who created all things. In exchange for that one act of our will (the only thing we actually own), he offers inheritance of everything that he owns. And, he in reality owns it all.

    The children of a king don't actually own anything. But, they have access to use and enjoy all of the amazing things that the King owns. They don't work for it, they inherit it all.

    Jesus is asking us to abandon our illusions of ownership and join his royal family as adoptive sons and daughters.

    What an incredible offer.

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