I am not sure why you feel "sick", truly. But no, I am not "Sword of JAH," nor do I know such one. It's me... Shelby... and I'm gonna go clean my house now.
Peace!
SJ
RAPE & GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JT 55 Replies latest watchtower bible
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waiting
As for the discussion:
in the Old testament the god of the bible requires the woman to SCREAM OUT, EVEN if no one heards her- now this is an interesting bible verse- jt
Please keep in mind that the woman was under command to scream out in the village - where someone possibly could hear her. She was not commanded to scream in an open field. Even the Mosaic Law has some logic.....opposed to WT non-logic. Notice - NO WHERE doe the Bible COMMAND MEN TO SCREAM OUT..........ONLY WOMEN. Were men raped? Absolutely! It is a sign of power over another human (amongst other things) - remember how ALL the men & boys demanded the angels from Lot's house? ALL of town were homosexuals? Not hardly.
The seemingly odd ruling in the OT about "rape" is because rape was not the issue, it is about property ownership. (woman owned by father or husband) The "law" only pertained to married or betrothed women. Virgins that were unengaged were free for the taking. The punishment for "taking" an unmarried Jewish woman was to pay the father for the loss in wages he would now receive for her on the virgin market.(bride price) and marry her. If she was not an Isrealite, she was fair game. There are of course other passages that represent later ideas. - peacefulpete
This goes along with the oddity.........men were not under this Mosaic Law of screaming while being raped. Men were not property. Remember Dinah's rape situation? His family went to Dinah's father with a high bride's price for her..........abiding by Israelite Laws. The family accepted.......and then the sons slaughtered all the men in the city. I believe this law has more to do with the harsh reality: 1. God didn't design this law. 2. Men designed this law - as they designed the vengeful God they worshipped. 3. Women suffered under this law. 4. The Watchtower kept this Mosiac Law (which was supposedly fulfilled by Jesus Christ - and Christians are not under obligation) to keep women in line. Yeah, and screaming to ward off an attacker might be a good idea. But a woman shouldn't be branded a sinner worthy of hell/death/disfellowshipping/disassociation if she doesn't scream.........or is paralzed by fear or a gun/knife into silence. waiting
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Lady Lee
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I'm sorry if I erred
I just felt (and this is my feeling0 from your last post was sarcastic. If I am wrong I apologize again
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waiting
lol lee,
Shelby's a strong woman. Actually, pretty nice when she's speaking regular. And yes, Shelby.....I'm kidding with you.
waiting
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AGuest
Peace to you and no apology necessary! No, I was being MOST sincere: you are to be commended for your concern and compassion... and the demonstration of both.
We live in a world where... ummmm... "misfortune"... is considered a despicable weakness and those whose hearts move them to assist are looked upon as "enablers". And sometimes, that IS the case - sometimes, by means of our CHOICES... we bring things on ourselves... and others... and/or help others to perpetuate their problems even further.
But... so what? Because SOMETIMES... things are brought upon us by the CHOICES... of others... and help is just that - help. Who are we, then, to pick and choose as much as we do whether it is one or the other?
My Lord has taught me: close your eyes... and put out your hand... as well as your heart... with something to give in both. Be it food, clothing, shelter... money... time... or a kind word of encouragement - whatever you are ABLE... and WILLING... to give... give. For there is more happiness in it.
And based on all of the UNhappiness that goes on around here... methinks a great deal of folks here haven't yet learned such... "joy". But truly, there is nothing like it.
Peace to you, dear LL... and to you, too, dear... DEAR... Waiting!! It is SO good to hear from you!
Servant to you both... and a slave of Christ,
SJ
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Lady Lee
I called the police on a neighbor of mine one New Year's Day. There was a kid screaming and I mean screaming and banging and thudding on the walls. I could hear the father yelling. When I heard something like a body hit the wall I called the cops.
For a split second I thought "He will know I called and might come after me" but the thought of that adorable 2 year old next door getting attacked was too much and I called.
Well the police came and they went and checked and then they came and talked to me.
Seems they were watching the football game on TV and throwing the football around. Grandpa was there and the boy was laughing and having a great time when the police were there - no abuse.
gulp. I was wrong
Would I do it again
Yes in a heartbeat. If I'm wrong oh well but if I am right a child gets some help
One day in spring the father came out to talk to me. I was a tad nervous wondering if he was angry. He thanked me. Siad it must have taken a lot of courage to make that call. And despite my being wrong he is glad I cared enough about the strangers next door to help if I thought there was a problem.
A few weeks later I was walking down the street and saw a man banging and yelling inside one of the house (not the same neighbor but several houses down). I could hear him clearly yelling to open the F**in door or I will break it in. And I could hear a woman yelling and crying. I called the police and about a half hour later they had the man in handcuffs and in the car.
One day I was walking down the street and saw a 2-yr old locked in the car in the summer heat. Several people were around. Seems he had been in the car for at least a half hour and not one person had called anyone. I went into some of the stores and found the parent and gave them what for to leave the child in the car. The man stood there yellijng for us to mind our own business. No way. Got the licence plate number and reported him.
and I won't stop. ever
When I was 9 my father gave me an STD. I was sent to the medical clinic down the street and they treated me - one shot of penicillin a day for 10 days. The 10th day was my 10th birthday. I was under the impression that STDs in children had to be reported. I know I damn well would report it. But no one in that office reported this little kid with and STD. Not one person asked how I got it. That last day they handed me a lollipop and told me to go home and be a good girl for daddy.
Wasn't long before I was infected again.
Maybe - just maybe the abuse would have stopped earlier if just one person had thought to ask a question or report that maybe this little kid had a serious problem
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Cassiline
When I was 9 my father gave me an STD. I was sent to the medical clinic down the street and they treated me - one shot of penicillin a day for 10 days. The 10th day was my 10th birthday. I was under the impression that STDs in children had to be reported. I know I damn well would report it. But no one in that office reported this little kid with and STD. Not one person asked how I got it. That last day they handed me a lollipop and told me to go home and be a good girl for daddy.
Wasn't long before I was infected again.
Maybe - just maybe the abuse would have stopped earlier if just one person had thought to ask a question or report that maybe this little kid had a serious problem
((( Lee )))
I was seven.
Yes, it should be stopped and needs to be, NOW.
Love you
Cassi
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Lady Lee
Cassi I felt so shamed by that infection. Here I was a little kid and people having to look there, turning their heads away, not wanting to see the evidence of what was clearly in front of them. The abuse shamed me but I think this shamed me even more. I don't talk of this often - still a bit of that old shame there I guess
But Cassi we weren't responsible for that. We were just little kids at the mercy of sick people around us.
I lived it and still wonder how people can do this to little kids
(((cassi)))
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Cassiline
Cassi I felt so shamed by that infection. Here I was a little kid and people having to look there, turning their heads away, not wanting to see the evidence of what was clearly in front of them. The abuse shamed me but I think this shamed me even more. I don't talk of this often - still a bit of that old shame there I guess
But Cassi we weren't responsible for that. We were just little kids at the mercy of sick people around us.
I lived it and still wonder how people can do this to little kids
(((cassi)))
Until the victim "Cassi" started to learn to heal and cope with the outrage committed while young, the shame was so overwhealming and unbearable I just knew I would drown in the doubt I had some how caused their devious behaviour. It still amazes me to this day, that adults do walk away from the situations in which chldren are exposed to monsters who destroy the fiber of their being. Hugs Cassi
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AGuest
Lady Lee... and dear Cassi... peace to you both... and I will never forget you. What you have experienced... I would not wish on anyone, even though I, too, experienced something similar. It did not affect me detrimentally, however, praise JAH. Heck, I was 3-4... what did I know? But I do not diminish the affect it DOES have on others.
May JAH, then, hear your request for peace... and through Christ... may He grant it. Not in the way that the world grants peace... but in the way that Christ grants it: all-encompassing, and all-healing.
I am your servant... to time indefinite.
A slave of Christ,
SJ