Blondies Thoughts on Generous Giving WT article for Octobeer 21, 2018

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  • blondie
    blondie

    The Christ = 144,001?

    Quote
    The word Christ signifies anointed. Anointing means designation to official position in God’s arrangement. The Christ is the instrument or channel for the blessing of mankind. The Christ is composed of Jesus, the great and mighty head, and 144,000 members. --The Harp of God, 1921, p 187

    WT 5/1/09 ::R4390 : page 139::

    The tribe of Levi itself was divided, a priestly class being selected, and the remainder of the tribe assisting or serving under them. So in the antitype--a "little flock," a priestly class, is selected for the pre-eminent position and constitutes "Abraham's Seed" on the highest plane, the Divine nature. This class, The Christ, is composed of Jesus, the Head, and the Church, his members.

    WT 6/15/1911 R4841: page 189

    This Gospel Age is the time in which the Messiah is prepared. The Head of the Messiah, therefore, very properly, is first; and following Him the Apostles and all down through the Age the various members of the Body. This Age will end when the full number of the "elect" shall have been found and tested. Then the Body will have been completed. When The Messiah is complete, The Christ will be complete.

    WT 2/15/27 page 53

    "Seeing then that The Servant of Jehovah is The Christ, and that The Christ is composed of Jesus and the faithful members of his body, we find it proper to apply the term "Servant" to Jesus Christ alone or to Jesus Christ and the members of his body collectively as one; and sometimes it is applied only to the members of the body of Christ yet on earth."

  • the girl next door
    the girl next door

    Here is an apple.

    Some will try to convince you that it is a banana.

    It is still an apple.

    And what about that whole adding to the scriptures thing?

    Not that it matters because everyone has done it.

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  • FedUpJW
    FedUpJW

    So now it appears the governing body sees fit to elevate themselves to a position equal to Jesus himself?

    It won't be long until they claim to be God Almighty!

  • blondie
    blondie

    Seems part was missing....let's see if I can get it all

    blondie’s first thoughts review 10-21-2018 wt study (august 2018, pages 18-22 (generous givers)

    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-august-2018/

    w = Watchtower

    g = Awake

    jv = Proclaimers book

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    WT child abuse www.silentlambs.org

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    Blood issue www.ajwrb.org

    Discussion board www.jehovahs-witness.net

    Overall: The WTS is flogging the members for donations.

    Russell said:

    • Watchtower July 1879:

      “‘Zion’s Watch Tower’ has, we believe, JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support. When He who says: ‘All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine,’ fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication.”

    Paragraph 1:

    (god) not thinking of only himself

    Happy = being generous

    Paragraph 2:

    Man in god’s image, what about women?

    Insight Book, Vol. 2 p.782 RESPECT--Among family members. A wife is rightly to manifest wholesome fear, or deep respect, for her husband as head of the family. (Eph 5:33) This harmonizes with the preeminence given to man in God’s arrangement. Man, not woman, was created first, and he is “God’s image and glory.” (1Co 11:7-9; 1Ti 2:11-13)

    Be interested in others (to be repeated many times in this article)

    Paragraph 3:

    The Bible tells us = GB/WTS

    Generous = god’s favor

    Not generous = not happy

    Paragraph 4:

    Happy = generous

    Strive to make others happy (see be interested in others)

    Paragraph 5:

    True Christians = only jws

    Imitate THE Christ = Jesus + 144,000 is past interpretations

    • The Christ = 144,001?

      Quote
      The word Christ signifies anointed. Anointing means designation to official position in God’s arrangement. The Christ is the instrument or channel for the blessing of mankind. The Christ is composed of Jesus, the great and mighty head, and 144,000 members. --The Harp of God, 1921, p 187

      WT 5/1/09 ::R4390 : page 139::

      The tribe of Levi itself was divided, a priestly class being selected, and the remainder of the tribe assisting or serving under them. So in the antitype--a "little flock," a priestly class, is selected for the pre-eminent position and constitutes "Abraham's Seed" on the highest plane, the Divine nature. This class, The Christ, is composed of Jesus, the Head, and the Church, his members.

      WT 6/15/1911 R4841: page 189

      This Gospel Age is the time in which the Messiah is prepared. The Head of the Messiah, therefore, very properly, is first; and following Him the Apostles and all down through the Age the various members of the Body. This Age will end when the full number of the "elect" shall have been found and tested. Then the Body will have been completed. When The Messiah is complete, The Christ will be complete.

      WT 2/15/27 page 53

      "Seeing then that The Servant of Jehovah is The Christ, and that The Christ is composed of Jesus and the faithful members of his body, we find it proper to apply the term "Servant" to Jesus Christ alone or to Jesus Christ and the members of his body collectively as one; and sometimes it is applied only to the members of the body of Christ yet on earth."

      Do elders give there lives for the flock?

      Paragraph 6:

      His and Christ’s (note that both Jehovah and Jesus are mentioned together…most times it is only Jehovah when Christ should be include…where’s Jesus)

      Interested in welfare of others…Samaritan

      Those of different backgrounds…foreign refugee jws

      Paragraph 7:

      Satan said that Adam and Eve would be better off focusing on themselves

      Ahead of obedience to god

      Being generous = doing things god’s way is best

      Paragraph 8:

      Should have…should have been interested in the happiness of their unborn children

      Paragraph 9:

      Extend Paradise (not paradise earth? Which is not a phrase in the bible)

      Giving of themselves for the welfare of others

      Paragraph 10:

      Need to be sincerely interested in the welfare of others

      Endure only if we have the right motivation

      Paragraph 11:

      Generously giving of our time, resources and energy…to preaching

      (How much time does the average jw devote to television compared to time in field service?)

      Paragraph 12:

      Generous = joy

      “progressive” bible studies

      70 preachers returned with joy (preaching = joy)

      Paragraph 13:

      Generous = joy

      Anna, where need greater, don’t have time to focus on myself, Acts 20:35

      Paragraph 14:

      Ezekiel quote: jws are told they should not expect people to listen…I have seen many jws not prepared or care about how the present their words to people: like serving noodles covered with dog poop.

      Paragraph 15:

      Practice giving and others will give to you, has that been your expierence…I invited many over to my house for a meal and in ten years never saw the inside of their home. “not all respond positively to our generous giving” other jws.

      Paragraph 16:

      “Truly” generous do not give expecting anything in return…is that how god looks at it?

      Generous = blessed

      Happy = giving to others

      “should” get pleasure from helping others

      Paragraph 17:

      Not just sharing material things but encouragement…when jws hardly talk to anyone but family and close friends, how will they be able to do that?

      How do jws know who needs help if they don’t know them very well even after 15 years in the same congregation?

      Paragraph 18:

      Researchers…who? Quotes but no reference.

      Paragraph 19:

      Challenge to be generous when surrounded people who put own interests first…like at the KH

      Jehovah and Jesus

      Paragraph 20:

      No doubt…weasel phrase

      Next, specific ways to do this, note slant next week.

      Love, Blondie

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    Age will end when the full number of the "elect" shall have been found and tested.

    I fail to see in what way people like Stephen Lett or Marc Sanderson have been " tested"....(unless it's being bored to death in meetings hearing the same stuff o er and over)
    First century Christians suffered appalling torture as did many heretics in the middle ages. I'm quite sure there are way more than 144000 Christians faithfull unto death who devoted their lives to things like working in Leper colonies, like a wonderful Catholic preist I heard about recently who devoted his life to caring for the retched lepers in a Hawian island until he of course caught it, and died.

  • neat blue dog
  • careful
    careful

    What do you think CTR meant with the words "shall have been found"? Do you think the current org view has modified on that point? If so, how?

  • blondie
    blondie

    careful, the WTS still teaches that all the 144,000 must be all found and finally sealed before the GT will start and then they will be taken to heaven for the wedding of Jesus and the bride of Christ.

    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013531?q=after+great+tribulation+anointed&p=par

    ds

    16 Fifth, shining brightly. Jesus ends his prophecy by saying: “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.” (Matt. 13:43) When and where will that be? The fulfillment of these words still lies ahead. Jesus foretold, not an activity currently taking place on earth, but a future event occurring in heaven.* Consider two reasons for this conclusion.

    17 First, the “when” question. Jesus said: “At that time the righteous ones will shine.” The phrase “at that time” evidently refers to the event that Jesus had just mentioned, namely, the ‘pitching of the weeds into the fiery furnace.’ That occurs during the final part of the great tribulation. Thus, the ‘shining brightly’ of the anointed must occur at that future time as well. Second, the “where” question. Jesus said that the righteous ones will ‘shine in the kingdom.’ What does that mean? All faithful anointed ones who are still on earth after the initial part of the great tribulation has passed will already have received their final sealing. Then, as indicated in Jesus’ prophecy about the great tribulation, they will be gathered to heaven. (Matt. 24:31) There they will shine “in the kingdom of their Father,” and shortly after the battle of Armageddon, they will share as Jesus’ joyous bride in “the marriage of the Lamb.”​—Rev. 19:6-9.

    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102014263?q=after+great+tribulation+anointed&p=par

    5 Gathering of anointed ones. Both Matthew and Mark recorded Jesus’ statement about the “chosen ones”​—spirit-anointed Christians—​as part of a series of events that will occur before the outbreak of Armageddon. (See paragraph 7.) Speaking about himself as King, Jesus prophesies: “Then he will send out the angels and will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from earth’s extremity to heaven’s extremity.” (Mark 13:27; Matt. 24:31) To what act of gathering is Jesus here referring? He is not speaking about the final sealing of the remnant of anointed Christians, which will occur just before the great tribulation begins. (Rev. 7:1-3) Instead, Jesus refers to an event that will take place during the coming great tribulation. Thus, apparently at some point after the start of Satan’s all-out attack on God’s people, anointed ones who still remain on earth will be gathered to heaven.

  • waton
    waton
    Instead, Jesus refers to an event that will take place during the coming great tribulation. Thus, apparently at some point after the start of Satan’s all-out attack on God’s people, anointed ones who still remain on earth will be gathered to heaven.

    All this weasel talk is about the fact that the idea of an anointed, overlapping generation is contradicted by a clear and simple text:

    This generation will not pass away until ALL these things have occurred.

    All these things in the prophecies include clearly the total destruction, and the fate of the sheep and goats.

    According to the GB, The anointed will see none of this. No "Jesus meant" "apparently" , "obviously" will hide that inherent flaw of the current wt version of the supposed future.

    Jesus: The generation will not pass away, but the GB says again, in this watchtower study, it will.

    you have to feel sorry or them.

  • careful
    careful

    Blondie,

    What I mean is how are they "found"? It seems like a major change in this regard has taken place from CTR's time till today. Back then it seemed they were just looking to find them by drawing anyone out of the churches and into association with Russell and the Bible Students.

    I've been out for decades. When I was in, Fred Franz's theology ruled in everything. He taught that all of the remnant had been found before 1935 and were all already in the Witness fold. The only way one could get into the chosen group after '35 was if one already in proved unfaithful and had to be replaced, a supposedly rare occurrence.

    Then when there were so few of these self-professed anointed males left, they had to change their policy or they'd have no ultimate, final-say leadership. It looks to me like the policy has come about that the only way such ones are now "found" is if they are already in the full-time service for most of their lives, always been loyal yes men, and suddenly start partaking of the emblems at the Memorial. Isn't that the case for all those now on the GB? So then isn't that how they are now "found"?

    I'd be happy to be corrected here if I've got anything wrong here.

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