PBrow - The idea that without a god we could not figure out right or wrong is insulting.
I didn't get that when I was younger. I wondered what incentive there was for an athiest to be considerate of others. Talk about having little trust in human nature but of course it was fostered by JW indoctrination.
Under the Radar - i think this thread might be more appropriate in the Adult and Heated Debate section. I don't think it presents a very good first impression to any first-time visitors who might happen by.
You're right, the thread is not in the right section, I wasn't sure where to put it but I was hoping that it wouldn't turn into a heated debate
UTR - That said, I wonder why Listener chose to post his comments here instead of on the website more directly concerned. Is he prohibited from posting there? Or could this be a case of "forum shopping?" A less charitable person might see it as a form of evangelism or activism in itself, maybe even self-promotion.
Good question. Yes, it was a case of forum shopping. I thought this was the best place to have a reasonable discussion, both positive and negative being shared. My personal aim was to understand this idea of a war raging on and if it even exists to the extent that was suggestion. A lot of the time Cedar's knows what he is talking about and I wondered if his reactions were more emotional rather than factual. I tried to convey that in the thread title.
I don't post on Cedar's blog because I have to provide my personal email and although I could set up another one, I don't feel like doing that just so I can post on his blog.
I'm not a he, I often get referred to as a male, it's not a problem, just surprising when I have a female pictured in my Avatar.
UTR - As far as I'm concerned, Cedars can post whatever he wants on his site. If you want to take him to task, do it there. If you don't want to hear what he has to say, don't read his posts. But it seems unfair to attack him on an entirely different site. That smacks of gossip-mongering to me.
I'll take that hit but I don't really consider it as gossip-mongering when he can see everything that is posted here. As suggested previously, I didn't want to play in his playground on his terms.
I do like to hear what he has to say, he's done a lot of great work and I've added comments on his YouTube channel commending him on different aspects.
One of his most remarkable pieces of work (IMO) was an interview with a female exJW who had been abused. I think it was a little outside of his comfort zone but he put his own feelings aside and produced a very helpful video.
UTR - For the record, I don't agree with everything Cedars says and does. But he's performing a yeoman's work in exposing the Watchtower as a dangerous and mind-controlling cult. So is Simon, ApostaChick, Katie Kitten, Jakke Control, Mike & Kim, and many others, each in their own way. Some may be more to your taste than others. You might favor the approach of one more than another. You may find some cartoonish or even off-putting, but that doesn't diminish the value of the underlying message they're trying to put across . They are all to be commended for their efforts, even if you would have put or done things differently.
I agree with you and it's a great thing that there are so many activists, I don't think it is wrong in trying to understand where an activist is coming from at times, such as in the case of Cedars, particularly when it's not quite so obvious and when there seems to be so many people that think he can do no wrong. I don't see his popularity declining but I don't like to see blind worship either.
UTR - Well, why didn't you?
What can I say except repeat a previous comment you made - "A less charitable person might see it as a form of evangelism or activism in itself, maybe even self-promotion."
The self promotion part seems to be stretching it a bit too far but given that it is likely to be the opinion of a less charitable person, I needn't take it to heart.