Johnson and the NHS (page 2)

Phizzy

"The will of the British People" is trotted out as though it is a static thing. People, when given real facts, real information, are free to change their minds, or not, of course.

The great Athenian Historian Thucydides gives an account where his fellow Athenians have decided to destroy an enemy City, their first Referendum, if you like, he then says that they decided good arguments were given on both sides, maybe more knowledge had been obtained? so they Debated the issue again, the second Referendum, if you like. They decided NOT to destroy the City, and then he makes a pertinent remark we should all take not of, he says, " If we cannot change our minds, then it is not Democracy". (See Book Three of his History)

stan livedeath

phizzy quite rightly says " and above all, do not waste your Vote where it can make no difference.".....which is exactly where i am at. i am--by birth--a labour party brummy working class oik: and the labour party havent a hope in hell here on the isle of wight. its a safe tory shoe in....the rest--greens libs and indys will most likely lose their deposits.

cofty

probably you will say "Well, not Labour because ......", whatever your "becauses" are, do some real research, and see if they are true - Phizzy

I did. They were worse than most people fear.

I read - Dangerous Hero by Tom Bower that exposed Corbyn's long history of Trotskyist ideology, incompetence in Islington, contempt for the British state and support for our enemies.

Then I read What's Left by Nick Cohen that describes how Labour values have been decimated by Corbyn's far left wing of the movement.

Finally I read The Left's Jewish Problem - Jeremy Corbyn, Israel and Anti-Semitism by Dave Rich. If you have the slightest doubt about the reality of the left's hatred for Jews and Corbyn's complicity you need to read it too.

So yes, Boris is duplicitous but Corbyn is an enemy of everything I hold dear.

cofty

I also did some research on Corbyn's gang of four unelected advisors, Karie Murphy, Seumas Milne, Andrew Murray and Len McCluskey.

Wow!

Simon

Corbyn is dangerous, he supports and is supported by dangerous groups. He should never be given power and is a much bigger and pressing threat to UK society, including the NHS, than any Tory government is ever going to be.

Everything, the NHS included, depends on a basic functioning western democracy and I think he wants to dismantle that.

We don't need the blight of socialist anti-semitism returning to Europe.

LoveUniHateExams

"The will of the British People" is trotted out as though it is a static thing - ok, the will of the British people isn't a static thing.

But here's the thing - Brexit hasn't been implemented.

Brexit had the highest turnout of any democratic exercise in UK history, and it hasn't been carried out. Even if Johnson gets a majority this election, our 'honourable' MPs will keep fighting it.

The UK voting public are free to change their minds but that doesn't mean a democratic vote can be overturned - it's never happened before.

Remember the 1975 vote on membership of the EEC? No second referendum three years later on that occasion.

stan livedeath

the powers behind the throne dont want brexit. it ain gonna happen

Xanthippe

US government and its powerful pharmaceutical industry want the NHS to pay more for their medicines which are much more expensive across the Atlantic. They want to remove the UK’s ability to block American drugs not deemed “value for money” and restrict our powers to allow cheaper alternatives to be prescribed to patients which save the NHS hundreds of millions of pounds a year.

Jhine the reason this page jumped out at me is because in 2001 GlaxoSmithKline and other drug companies took the South African government to court to prevent it passing legislation to allow the government to import or manufacture cheaper versions of brand-name drugs to treat people with AIDS.

The South African government won the case. The government stood up for the people in SA but would trade agreements here with the USA seek to block our purchase of cheaper versions of drugs? This is something that large drug companies seek to do.

By the way this South African example is not something other election candidates have reminded us of, I remember it because I wrote to the Chief Executive of GSK at the time as a member of AI.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1285097.stm

Diogenesister

The Left's Jewish Problem - Jeremy Corbyn, Israel and Anti-Semitism by Dave Rich. If you have the slightest doubt about the reality of the left's hatred for Jews and Corbyn's complicity you need to read it too.

Oh give me a break. Corbyn is for the under dog in this situation, as are the left in most situation.

The left of his generation have fought against right wing racism all their lives. It’s cobblers to say they are anti Semitic just because they are anti Israeli policy.

cofty

Diog - How would you be in a position to judge whether or not Corbyn has contempt for Jews?

The evidence is beyond reasonable doubt. I would be happy to set out example after example after example on here every day until the election if you like?

Here is exhibit 1 - In 2012 the artist Kalen Ockerman painted this mural on a wall in east London. He called it 'Freedom for Humanity'. It portrays Jewish financiers playing Monopoly on a board supported by the backs of the world's oppressed - mostly blacks. It perfectly illustrates Malcolm X's damnation of 'Zionist dollars' bankrolling colonial oppression, am important influence in Jamaica at the time of Corbyn's stay there in the '60s. After a protest Tower Hamlets ordered the mural to be removed.

Corbyn admitted looking at a picture of the mural and protested its removal. He even wrote to the artist - 'you're in good company' and referred to the removal of another mural by Diego Rivera in New York in 1934. 'Rockerfeller [sic] destroyed Viera's [sic] mural because it includes a picture of Lenin'.

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