"Jehovah" In The New Testament.

by LostintheFog1999 57 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • LostintheFog1999


    Can I ask please if you are writing a book and using this forum as a testing platform?

    It's simply the length of all of your answers and where you have opened posts with questions that resemble university essays.

    I have to be honest, I lose interest in reading most of them halfway through as they just go on and on and on.

    When I was in the JW organisation I found that was the way the elders tried to force through a contentious belief by swamping students with a tidal wave of references and so-called proof points. I guess it might have worked for some of the newbies, but I just switched off, and turned my attention elsewhere.

  • LV101

    I've a question for you knowledgeable ones -- SBF, Vanden, Earnest, Fisherman, Scholar, asqwsed -- too many to list - I blathered off a scripture from one of the recent biblical topics past couple of wks to friend who recently returned to meetings and my eyes (and loss of sleep) can't search any longer for it. It may have been 1 John 4:7? but more descriptive, modern, translation compared to my quick google search. It was worded 'you know God (or the Christ) and the world doesn't know nor wants to know ? that was the subject matter. I've skimmed thru the 'Trinity' and this topic -- several others but I was not reading thoroughly and laptop history no help. Trying to locate that exact scripture on this site.

    She knows I'm no Bible scholar and I told her from now on we only discuss makeup!

    Thanks - appreciate.

  • slimboyfat

    John 17.25?

    25Righteous Father! The world does not know you, but I know you, and these know that you sent me. (Good News Bible)

    25 Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you, but I know you, and these have come to know that you sent me. (NWT)

  • LV101

    Thanks -- That's closer to it than what I found googling and scanning through.

  • LV101

    I think I may have found it -- John 14:17 by googling John 17:25/thanks. Now if I could only find which topic it was referenced.

  • punkofnice

    Jehovah(tm) in the NT. Did they consider this might uphold the trinity they claim they understand and refute?

  • slimboyfat

    The removal of the divine name from the New Testament confused the identities of the Lord God and the Lord Jesus and paved the way for the later Trinity doctrine.

  • Blotty

    Can we just get one thing straight?
    Jehovah is a translation of the divine name in the OT scriptures YHWH - so no the form "Jehovah" specifically doesn't appear in the OT, however it cannot be argued the name does..
    People who have an aversion to "Jehovah" should also then have an aversion to every other name in the bible especially Jesus (or the Word) and the holy spirit (since they are God as well) Why is it only the "son" has a name "Jesus" or "The word" yet apparently "Father" is the Fathers name and "holy spirit" is the holy spirits name..

    "Since there is no God named "Jehovah", this is a medieval misreading" - there is no person named "Jesus" in early times either, they are both transliterations of the original language manuscripts, you can twist these words anyway you like, however you know exactly what he meant, else you would be citing him all over the place to prove your trinity.. like you have others.

    "There is no /dʒ/ sound in Hebrew." - shall I list the names that start with a "Y" and translated as "J" in English? I have gathered an entire table of them... better yet do the "research" yourself its not hard, Ill start and you go and look up the names in NIV, ESV or whichever bible you like:
    (try the cited sources here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biblical_names_starting_with_J)

    you have some points on George Howard, however you'll have trouble with other scholars who agree with him - like it or not his theory cannot be dismissed..
    funny how the only name [that is absent] is the one that allows the trinity to thrive.. Shall we also mention that every pre-christian copy of the LXX contains the name not the surrogate..

    The rest of the babbel on "I am" and other stuff I will simply say: go and do better research, check the LXX and learn what the past progressive idoim is. (+ what James white and Daniel Wallace have both said on this subject)

    ""The "Lord's Prayer" is a prayer addressed to our Father. If Jesus really wanted to encourage the use of the Name with the Lord's Prayer, why should we call God Father, why doesn't the prayer start like this: "Our Lord...", or like this: "Our Jehovah"?
    - very bad scholarship - what I would consider psuedo-scholarship... How many articles do I need to cite? if "name" meant something other than "name" then it is interesting in the OT such emphasis is placed on the Divine name, also curious that Isaiah refers to the divine name as "Father" a (known) Hebrew idoim in the creation clause (look it up).
    sanctifying Gods "being" is pointless, because his "being" is already holy and not smothered - got a lot of questions to actually answer here.

    also lets just remember:

    (John 8:26, 27)

    “. . ., the One who sent me is true, and the very things I heard from him I am speaking in the world.” 27 They did not grasp that he was talking to them about the Father.”

    (John 8:54)“. . .It is my Father who glorifies me, the one who you say is your God.”

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