"Jehovah" In The New Testament.

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  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat
    Written in Paleo-Hebrew, not translated or transliterated into Greek. It was considered unpronounceable and forbidden to be changed even in text or spoken.

    The divine name was translated in the early LXX into the Greek form Yaho.

    Emanuel Tov notes that in this manuscript a second scribe inserted the four-letter Tetragrammaton where the first scribe left spaces large enough for the six-letter word Κύριος

    Tov argues that the early LXX used the divine name transliterated into Greek.

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    Ordinary Jews in the time of Jesus used the form of the divine name Yaho. This is shown by 1) the statement from the Greek historian Diodorus that Jews called their God Yaho, 2) the Leviticus fragment of the LXX from the first century CE with the divine name transliterated into Greek IAW, pronounced Yaho, 3) entries in early onomastica that show the form of the divine name persisted in the early Christianity. The idea that no Jews were using the divine name in Jesus’ day is erroneous. While some Jews avoided the name, others were still using it in this period.


  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    scholar

    I answered all 9 "reasons", none of them "prove" that it was in the New Testament, nor that they were entitled to include it. Do you have ADHD so you can't process what I wrote, or what?

    In the Lord's Prayer "Hallowed be Thy Name", this has nothing to do with the God's YHWH name used in the Old Testament, associated with the Hebrew cult. "Your name" here does not mean the Tetragrammaton, but God himself. "Blessed be your name", is a biblical phrase, it does not mean that the name, the string of letters that you wear, should be blessed, but that you yourself should be blessed. According to the WTS publication Aid To Bible Understanding (1971), page 1202:

    For an individual to know God's name signifies more than a mere acquaintance with the word. (2 Chron. 6:33) It means actually knowing the Person-his purposes, activities and qualities as revealed in his Word . (Compare 1 Kings 8 :41-43 ; 9 :3, 7 ; Nehemiah 9:10.) This is illustrated in the case of Moses, a man whom Jehovah `knew by name,' that is, knew intimately. (Ex. 33 :12) Moses was privileged to see a manifestation of Jehovah's glory and also to `hear the name of Jehovah declared.' That declaration was not simply the repetition of the name "Jehovah" but a statement about God's attributes and activities. "Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth, preserving loving-kindness for thousands, pardoning error and transgression and sin, but by no means will he give exemption from punishment, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons and upon grandsons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation." (Ex. 34:6, 7) Similarly, the song of Moses, containing the words "for I shall declare the name of Jehovah," recounts God's dealings with Israel and describes his personality. - Deut. 3:3-44 .

    See also Aid to Bible Understanding, pages 888, 889; the same material appears in Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, pages 12, 13. According to Raymond Franz:

    We can understand this by the fact that the term “name” is used in an identical way with reference to God’s Son. When the apostle John writes, “But to all who received him, who believe in his name, he gave power to become children of God.” John is clearly not referring just to the name “Jesus.” (John 1:12) He is referring to the person of the Son of God, to what he is as the “Lamb of God,” his divinely-assigned position as Ransomer and Redeemer and Mediator on behalf of mankind. Recognizing this, in place of “believed in his name,” some translations read, “[did] believe in him” (An American Translation), “truly believed in him” (Phillips Modern English), “yielded him their allegiance” (New English Bible). Somewhat similarly, the 1988 Watch Tower publication, Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!, page 280, in discussing Revelation chapter 19, verse 12, and its reference to the written “name” assigned to Christ, which “no one knows but he himself,” acknowledges that this “appears to stand for the position and privileges that Jesus enjoys during the Lord’s day,” hence not to any name in the common, everyday sense of the term.
    Would the mere use of the name “Jesus,” or even a very frequent pronouncing of the name, or a constant calling attention to that literal name, prove anything as regards one’s being a genuine believer in Christ, a true follower of his? Obviously, none of these things would of themselves demonstrate that one is actually a Christian. Nor would they mean that one was truly “making known the name” of God’s Son in the real sense of Scripture. Millions of persons today regularly employ and speak the name “Jesus.” Yet many of them grossly misrepresent and in fact obscure the true and vital “name” of God’s Son because their conduct and course are so very far from reflecting either the teachings, the personality, or the way of life he exemplified. Their lives do not demonstrate conduct consistent with faith in his power to provide redemption. That, and not the use of a particular word or proper noun, is what is involved in ‘belief in his name.’ Compare Matthew 7:21-23; Romans 2:24; see also the article on “Jesus Christ” in Aid to Bible Understanding under the heading “The full significance of his ‘name,’” page 924; the same material is in Insight on the Scriptures, Vol 2, page 61.
    The same is true of the use of the name “Jehovah.” No matter how often individuals, or an organization of people, may voice that literal name (claiming a special righteousness by their repeated use of such name), if they do not genuinely reflect, in attitude, conduct and practice, what the Person himself is like—His qualities, ways and standards—then they have not truly come to “know his name” in the Scriptural sense. They do not really know the person or personality represented by the Tetragrammaton (Compare Ezekiel 36:20.). Use of that name would then amount to no more than lip service (Compare Hosea 8:1, 2; Matthew 15:8.). If they claim to speak “in his name” yet misrepresent what He himself states in his own Word, or make false predictions “in his name,” or devise and impose unscriptural legislation and rules “in his name,” or make unjust judgments and condemnations “in his name,” then they have, in effect, “taken his name in vain.” They have acted in a way that neither has his authorization, nor reflects his qualities and standards and what He himself is as a Person.
    The same is likewise true of using some form of the Tetragrammaton for sectarian purposes, employing it as a means to distinguish one religious group from other religious groups. The evidence is that the name “Jehovah’s Witnesses” developed in response to such an interest. Similarly “to praise his holy name” or “to sanctify his name” does not mean simply to praise a particular word or phrase, for how could one ‘praise a word’ or ‘praise a title’? Rather, it clearly means to praise the Person himself, to speak reverently and admiringly of Him and his qualities and ways, to view and respect Him as Holy in the superlative sense.
  • Riley
    Riley

    In the old testament you have an invisible god named Yahweh but you have divine manifestations of Yahweh ( the angel of the lord, word of the lord, wisdom of the lord etc etc ). It is not entirely clear who is what and what is who.

    The new testament is the authors realizing that this manifestation was Jesus. The ambiguous use of the tetragrammation in the new testament is by design, not corruption.

    Calling the tetragrammation Jehovah and adding it to the new testament is trying to clear up the ambiguity and it is just not correct. It is a mess and a mess by design.

  • scholar
    scholar

    aqwsed12345

    I answered all 9 "reasons", none of them "prove" that it was in the New Testament, nor that they were entitled to include it. Do you have ADHD so you can't process what I wrote, or what?

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    That is your opinion. The said scholar's opinion is that the nine reasons are sufficient proof for the insertion of 'Jehovah' - God's Name in the NT and that the NWT Committee have full justification in so doing.

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    In the Lord's Prayer "Hallowed be Thy Name", this has nothing to do with the God's YHWH name used in the Old Testament, associated with the Hebrew cult. "Your name" here does not mean the Tetragrammaton, but God himself. "Blessed be your name", is a biblical phrase, it does not mean that the name, the string of letters that you wear, should be blessed, but that you yourself should be blessed. According to the WTS publication Aid To Bible Understanding (1971), page 1202:

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    Nonsense. If the name mentioned in the Lord's Prayer has nothing to do with God's distinctive personal Name then what name is it that Jesus referred and how is it then to be sanctified or hallowed?

    scholar JW


  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    "The fact that we do not the autographs or original manuscripts is of little consequence for the evidence presented by the NWT Committee since 1950 proves that the Divine name was present in those original manuscripts."

    There are no MSS of the N.T with the divine name in that are even close to the first Century.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    We only have one tiny manuscript of the LXX that contains the divine name in the Greek form Yaho (photo above) yet Emanuel Tov, a leading textual critic of the Hebrew Bible/LXX, argues that Yaho was probably the original form of the divine name in the LXX. This is because there is good circumstantial evidence to support the idea. Even if we didn’t have the fragment with Yaho in it, the circumstantial evidence would be strong that the early LXX used the divine name Yaho. Of the earliest NT manuscripts we have, none of them can confidently be dated earlier than the year 200 CE. (See God’s Library: The Archaeology of the Earliest Christian Manuscripts (2018) by Brent Nongbri) By 200 CE the divine name was no longer in use in the LXX, so if it was used in the early NT, then we have no manuscripts from the era before 200 CE which would correspond to the period when the divine name was used. So we don’t have any direct manuscript evidence either way for how the NT handled the divine name prior to 200 CE. We do have manuscript evidence for the LXX in this earlier period and it did use the divine name.

    A copy of the NT with the divine name Yaho might turn up one day, but even if it doesn’t there are good reasons to believe the name did occur in the early NT text. Because, if we are being reasonable about it, if Jews used the divine name Yaho in the first century, in their texts and also verbally, as the evidence suggests, then the early Christians must have done so as well because they emerged from the Jewish community. Plus it makes sense of so much of the biblical data that original use of the divine name is key to understanding much about the NT. A striking example is the often quoted Psalm 110 which in the extant manuscripts confusingly reads, “the Lord said to my Lord”, whereas the early LXX, and presumably the NT as well, would have read, “Yaho said to my Lord”. Another is the fact that the meaning of the name Jesus would have been much more intelligible to people who pronounced it as Yahoshua, and who also used the divine name Yaho. The connection between God Yaho, and his sent forth saviour Yahoshua would have been obvious, as apparently it was. (See Matt 1.21 and Acts 4.12)

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Whether or not the divine name appears in the NT, I'm sure we can all agree on the following:

    The tetragrammaton appears many many times in the OT, then there's a huge drop off of appearances from Matthew onwards.

    ^^^ It's almost as if the divine name (Yahweh or Jehovah or whatever) wasn't particularly important to Jesus and the early Christians ...

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    The NT is all about Jesus so it makes sense that the name Jesus appears so frequently. To some this might be evidence that Jesus in some way replaces Jehovah of the OT, but this is not a very careful reading of the NT text. All the writings of the NT make it abundantly clear that the whole purpose of Jesus’ mission was to glorify God and his name (John 17.26) and that the exaltation of Jesus is ‘to the glory of God the Father’ (Phil 2.11).

    When you realise that the name Jesus (then pronounced Yahoshua) means “Yaho saves”, and that the first Christians were very aware of this fact (Matt 1.21, Acts 4.12), then you don’t count the instances of the name Jesus and his God Jehovah in separate tallies. Because every instance of the name Jesus (Yahoshua) is in fact a reminder, to the first Christians, and to us if we read the NT carefully, that Jesus is the saviour that Jehovah sent into he world to save mankind.

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    WHY THE WATCHTOWER NEEDS CHRISTENDOM

    John Sefton

    When a visit by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's agents, or "publishers", occurs they leave behind a definite impression that traditional Christianity, or "Christendom", is a corrupt and apostate religion, existing to subvert the true religion of God, or "Jehovah". There is no doubt that the WBTS sees Christendom as its mortal enemy and the agent of Satan bent on destroying it. Hundreds of pages full of invective and venom directed at Christendom and its "clergy" are published by the WBTS every year. It ranges from the publication of relatively innocuous facts (for example, see AWAKE!, March 22, 1996, Watching The World, More Churches for Sale) suggesting that Christendom has had its day (if so, why does Jehovah need to destroy it at Armageddon?) to full blown denunciation of Christendom and its practices (see The WATCHTOWER, April 15, 1996, Why Worldly Religion Will End).

    The paradox of their anti-Christian stance lies in their total dependence upon and inability to withdraw from Christendom. The first part of their dependence upon Christendom comes about because our churches provide the main hunting ground from which they poach their converts. This is because they have no doctrine of regeneration, and therefore they are realistic in appreciating that they would be wasting time in the public bars and ghettoes seeking the lost. However the churches of Christendom have a ready-made pool of basically moral people who don't need a lot of retraining in the area of conduct, and always have a supply of frustrated individuals who don't really understand Christian doctrine or who have no real relationship with Christ to speak of. So the WBTS relies upon Christendom to do the hard work of producing a well-behaved flock from which to steal sheep.

    The second part of their reliance upon the Christian church relates to the first. In order to steal our sheep, they need to use our terminology in order to appear to have the food with which to feed the flock. Gone are the days when you could nail the JWs on "being born again", "the blood of the lamb", "salvation by grace" and other important Christian doctrines. All these and many more terms have been adapted in one form or another by the WBTS in the last decade or so, as their awareness of who their target audience really is has increased. No degenerate drunk would care about the use of the term "the blood of Christ" (although he may well care about the benefits to him!), but a church-goer is much more likely to care. Recent Watchtower and AWAKE! articles have addressed issues important to mainstream Christianity such as prayer, bible study and preaching (all with a unique watchtower "spin"), in an attempt to make the stolen sheep of Christendom feel at home in their new pasture (the grass looks real, but so does Astroturf from the right angle!)

    The third way in which the WBTS absolutely depends upon Christendom is the way in which they pilfer our scholarship. In any of their heavier books regarding their erroneous doctrines (for example, Should You Believe In The Trinity?, 1989), how many JW "scholars" are quoted? If you guessed "Zero", you were correct! The Watchtower, while having a huge library which most scholars would kill for, has few, if any, scholars to make use of it. However, just as Christendom provides a ready-made pool of well-trained church-goers, it also provides many centuries of bible scholarship. Why waste several years researching Plato's works and their impact on Greek thought in the first century yourself when you can quote (out of context, of course!) one line from a weighty tome by one of Christendom's "intelligentsia" (see for example the way Adolf Harnack is cited on page 11 of Should You Believe In The Trinity?). However, this is not to say that there is no special technique involved in stealing and perverting the intellectual legwork of our scholars. Just as real estate agents' most important creed is summed up in three words "Position! Position! Position!", so is that of the WBTS. The Watchtower's use of the principle is vastly different from that of real estate agents, however, in that the more obscure and inaccessible the position of the quote, the better! The 1969 Kingdom Interlinear in defending its John 1:1 stance made use of a large number of quotes from well known scholars, such as A.T. Robertson, Dana and Mantey and others. The problem with these sources is that they are readily available to any serious student of the Bible, and therefore the out-of-context nature of the quotes is easily exposed by someone possessing, or at least having access to these works. The Watchtower learned its lesson (probably expedited by Julius Mantey's threat to take legal action!) and the most recent Kingdom Interlinear (1985) only (mis)quotes the 1973 article by Phillip B. Harner in the Journal of Biblical Literature. Most Christians would have no idea how to lay hands upon this article (a trip to a good seminary library should suffice), and therefore they have no way to refute the contextualness of the quotes attributed to Harner. The principle is also borne out in the "Trinity" booklet in the way in which the early Church fathers are quoted (again out of context) to appear to lend credence to their assertion that the early Christians did not believe in the Trinity. Once again, the average Protestant would not have the slightest idea what the Fathers said on ANY subject, let alone the Trinity, and so the WBTS has again seemingly shown that the Watchtower grass is palatable to Christendom's sheep.

    In conclusion, it is reasonably clear, even from the small amount of evidence cited above that the Watchtower is not an independent religion disseminating new revelation to a needy world, but merely a parasite, depending upon the body of Christ for its nourishment, and if Christendom were to ever die, as the WBTS so gleefully predicts, then they too will die as does any parasite after its host's death. So when the Watchtower's people come to your door next, don't treat them as enemy agents trying to subvert the true faith, but rather as Christendom's lost sheep who were lured from the fold with promises of greener pastures, only to be set upon by ravening wolves. If by our gentle teaching and prayer we can bring only one of them back to the fold, there will be much rejoicing in Heaven (cf. Luke 15:1-7).

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    All the writings of the NT make it abundantly clear that the whole purpose of Jesus’ mission was to glorify God and his name - yeah, ok, but there is little evidence of Jesus actually using the divine name.

    Jesus had a lot to say, but not much of that was 'Jehovah this' or 'Yahweh that'.

    Jesus may have 'glorified God's name', but he didn't use it much, at least judging from the Gospels.


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