Time of the end - a TRINITY puzzler.

by BoogerMan 62 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345
    @slimboyfat

    A careful reading of the second-century apologists shows that their occasional description of the Logos as γγελος is neither an assertion that Christ belongs ontologically to the angelic order nor a precursor of the modern Watchtower claim that Jesus is Michael. The difficulty arises from a semantic shift that separates the ancient Greek noun γγελος, whose primary sense is “messenger,” from the English loan-word “angel,” which in ordinary parlance designates a created spirit of fixed rank. When the Church Fathers wished to speak of a created angel, they normally supplied an adjective such as “one of the angels” or “one of the ministers,” whereas in Christological contexts they explained why the Word may properly be called γγελος, namely because he is the primordial envoy who makes the Father known. To transpose that functional title into an ontological claim is to wrench their language out of its literary and theological setting.

    Justin’s First Apology VI is the passage frequently marshalled in favour of an Arian reading. The Greek, however, is syntactically ambiguous and the critical editions acknowledge competing construals. A straightforward translation, retaining the order of the words, is possible: “We worship and adore the Father … and the Son who came forth from him and taught us these things, and the host of the other good angels who follow him and are made like him, and the prophetic Spirit.” Even if that rendering is adopted, Justin is not assimilating the Son to the created order; the Son heads the clause, receives divine worship together with the Father, and is specified as the one whom the angelic host follows and resembles. The phrase “other good angels” therefore presupposes a categorical difference between leader and followers, not an identity of nature. Moreover, the same author insists only a few chapters later (XIII) that Christians worship the Son κα δετερον τξιν, that is, in second rank, a formulation he repeats in XVI and LXI. The triadic pattern—Father, Son, Spirit—here receives explicit liturgical application, while the angels remain absent; hence scholars from Grabe through Schaff have judged that the mention of angels in VI, if taken with the verb “taught,” explains to the emperor that Christ instructs not only human beings but the angelic ministers as well. Either way, worship is restricted to the three hypostases of the Godhead.

    Justin’s Dialogue with Trypho LV–LVI removes the residual ambiguity by defining his vocabulary. The Logos is “called γγελος because he announces to men whatever the Maker of all things wills to declare.” The causal clause—δι τ γγλλειν—makes the point unmistakable: the title derives from the activity of revelation; it is not an index of created status. In the same breath Justin affirms that this Messenger “was God even before the creation of the world,” appeared in the theophanies to Abraham and Moses, and is now incarnate in Jesus Christ. One cannot coherently read “even God” (κα Θες) as a predicate of a creature whilst maintaining fidelity to Justin’s insistence that Christians render him λατρεία, the worship owed exclusively to the one true God. To juxtapose “we worship the Father, the Son and the prophetic Spirit” with “we are not atheists” is to declare that denying the full divinity of the Son would collapse Christian monotheism.

    The same semantic logic governs Clement of Alexandria. When he calls the Logos γγελος (Paed. I.7) he has already laid down the hermeneutical key in Chapter 3: the Lord “ministers all good to us both as God and as man.” The word γγελος serves him as a metaphor for the revelatory economy of the Old Covenant; it is forced into alien service only when modern readers isolate a single sentence and forget the ontological claims that frame it. Trinitarian theology therefore urges caution against one-liner proof-texting in patristic literature as well. Terms are plastic, context is decisive, and an author’s controlling analogy—fire from fire, light from light, rational word from rational mind—must govern the interpretation of any ontologically subordinate image.

    Nor does the Arian appeal to “other good angels” reckon with the apologists’ doctrine of creation. Justin distinguishes between the Logos, “begotten before all creatures,” and the angelic race, “created” (ποίημα, κτίσμα). A being begotten of the Father’s own substance cannot simultaneously belong to the order of creatures without collapsing the apologists’ most basic metaphysical contrast, a contrast they borrowed from Scripture itself: in principio the uncreated Word is with God and is God; through him all things that came to be were made (John 1:1-3). Hebrews attributes that creative agency to the Son precisely to demonstrate his transcendence over angels, who worship him and whose very winds and flames he fashions (Heb 1:5-14). To merge Christ into the angelic host would unravel the epistle’s argument and confound the Church’s baptismal confession, already discernible in Justin’s era.

    The modern identification of Jesus with Michael the archangel therefore mistakes both biblical exegesis and patristic semantics. Michael is explicitly “one of the chief princes(Dan 10:13), a creature who, in Jude 9, does not dare to pronounce judgment in his own name. The pre-existent Christ, by contrast, receives titles, functions and honors reserved for Yahweh alone: he forgives sins, commands worship, and bears the incommunicable Name. The Church Fathers who call him γγελος do so to underline this paradox of divine condescension: the eternal Word stoops to become the envoy, yet without surrendering his equality with the Sender. If that trope is flattened into the claim that Christ is merely a higher member of the angelic species, the Gospel’s central mystery—the Word became flesh—loses both its metaphysical depth and its soteriological power.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Your comment:

    the eternal Word stoops to become the envoy, yet without surrendering his equality with the Sender.

    defies common sense and scripture.

    John 13:16 Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.
  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345
    @slimboyfat

    Tell me, how were you at mathematics in school? “Not greater” doesn’t require it to be lesser. Since you referred to common sense, after all. No one ever said that the Son is greater than the Father. Although Chalcedonian Christology does assert that the Son as a man is not God and is ontologically inferior to God.

    Generally speaking, there’s a significant difference between acts of “sending;“ even a king can be “sent“ on a diplomatic visit by his advisor, or to a spa by his physician, without this implying the superiority of those sending him. Human missions are characterized mainly by two elements: the one who is sent acts under the influence of the one who sends; and, in order to fulfill the mission, he chooses situations and carries out activities appropriate to the nature and content of the mission. As for the influence of the sender on the one sent, this can generally be of three kinds. The sending can be a command, by which a superior sends his subordinate; it can be advice, by which, for example, a physician sends a king to the baths; or it can be an origin, by which, for instance, a mother brings forth—“sends”—her child into the world, or the sun sends its rays to the earth. If we speak about the relationship of sending and mission among the divine persons, only the third basis of sending can be considered.

    When Scripture speaks of the Father “sending” the Son, and the Son being “sent,” this does not indicate an inferiority or lesser status, but simply expresses the eternal relationship of origin within the Trinity, which is reflected in the temporal mission of the Son in the world. The concept of “sending” (missio) in the context of the Trinity differs fundamentally from human sending, which is usually based on authority or hierarchy. In the Trinity, the mission is based solely on the eternal procession or origin of the persons: the Father sends the Son because the Son proceeds from the Father, not because the Son is in any way less divine or less worthy. Thus, in the context of the Trinitarian missions, being “sent” refers to the manifestation of the Son’s origin from the Father in the world, not to any ontological subordination. Furthermore, the new mode of presence brought about by the mission (sending) does not create an ontological hierarchy within the Trinity. Rather, it establishes a new relationship with creation, not among the divine persons themselves.

    Therefore, John 13:16 does not address the inner-Trinitarian relationship of essence (ousia), but rather the relationship between Jesus, his disciples, and the Father within the economy of salvation. The Son’s being “sent” refers to his mission in the world, not to his divinity or status within the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinitarian missions fully preserves the ontological equality of the Father and the Son: the difference is not of nature or dignity, but of origin and mission.

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