Time of the end - a TRINITY puzzler. (page 3)

Blotty

"" the "fallacy of exact words" - Atha's whole argument hinged on "The bible did [insert text here] but rather says [insert other text here.]"

moomanchu

My answer to all of this is: mankind is too dumb to understand God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

It's like expecting a horse to understand a car, engine and gasoline.

It is one thing, the same and different and it produces something called

horsepower which is named after you. See how important you are.

Horse " I don't understand???"

Sea Breeze

Absolutely, not only does Jesus nowhere claim a dual nature, nor any of the Bible writers ever mention it, but he talks and acts as if he's either totally unaware of it or else deceiving his followers about it.

Wrong again. One verse says says Jesus has ALL power in heaven and earth, and another verse says that the father is greater than he is. So which is it? It's both.

Arian heretics make God out to be a liar because they refuse to believe what God says about the nature of man. It is the unitarian rejection of the word of God about the nature of MAN that prevents them from accepting the triune nature of God.

Simply put, unitarians refuse to believe God. Then they use this unbelief as a strawman argument against the nature of God. We have all gone over this time and again.

BoogerMan

@ MEANMRMUSTARD -

This means that Jesus, while on Earth, possessed both divine attributes, like omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence. Why? That seems like your definition.
Nope - not my definition. One of the definitions provided by the all-powerful Google. 😀

TonusOH

Maybe Jesus and/or Jehovah don't care if you believe that He is/are one, or two, or three, or three-as-one. Maybe, if it was important, He would have made it perfectly clear instead of making claims that can easily be interpreted either way. Maybe He wishes he had paid extra for an editor, and humanity would've avoided thousands of years of confusion and bloodshed over countless differing interpretations that have split Christianity into (often violently opposed) fragments.

BoogerMan

@ SEABREEZE - You appear to being "economical" when quoting Scriptures.

You said, "One verse says says Jesus has ALL power in heaven and earth, and another verse says that the father is greater than he is. So which is it? It's both."

Matthew 28:18 - "Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

That seems easy to understand: Someone delegated all power to Jesus. Who did that?

1 Cor. 15:27,28 clearly explains: "For he “has put everything under his feet.”[fn Psalm 8:6] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ."

How can God give Himself all power & authority and put everything under His own feet when it's already there?

And 1 Cor. 15:28 - "When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."

How can Jesus [God?] be co-equal if he is going to be in subjection?

The mystery of the trinity.

slimboyfat

One verse says Jesus has ALL power in heaven and earth, and another verse says that the father is greater than he is. So which is it? It's both.

Interesting misquotation there. Whether it’s deliberate or unintentional, it’s telling. Matt 28:18 doesn’t say Jesus “has” all power in heaven and earth. It says he has “been given” all power in heaven and earth. God cannot be given power by anyone. This verse proves that Jesus is not God just as much as the verse that says “the Father is greater than I”.

Halcon

Boogerman- Matthew 24:36) “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."

Because the Trinity doctrine still has the Father and the Son as being two separate beings (sharing the same title of God). It follows that one could know something that the other may not, because they are two separate beings.

slimboyfat

Nobody can know more than God. If there is somebody who knows something Jesus doesn’t know, that means Jesus can’t be God.

Halcon

Nobody can know more than God. If there is somebody who knows something Jesus doesn’t know, that means Jesus can’t be God.

Nobody knows more than the Father, to be more precise (according to theTrinity doctrine).

The title of God however is held also by the Son. Which is to say that God the Son is not all-knowing, per the scriptures we've referenced in this thread.

Time of the end - a TRINITY puzzler.

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