A BALTANT LIE in this weeks Isaiah study.

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  • rocketman

    Gamaliel appears to be right, from what I know. Thing is, few if any jws know that the Bible Students once thought that the "other sheep" were those to be manifested by coming back by resurrection. This is a confusing paragraph, and perhaps an attempt at whitewashing the past somewhat, but it does not appear to be an outright lie, from what I can tell.

  • rocketman

    By the way, a "Baltant" Lie is a cross between a bald-faced lie and a blatant lie.

  • rocketman

    Oh, and besides, most jws attending the book study will be too tired and bored out of their wits to notice whether it's a lie or not.

  • Pleasuredome

    a play on words, a twist of scripture and bob's your uncle, the other sheep doctrine is supported by a previous belief. the evidence is clearly there, you can read it! lol

  • Gamaliel

    It's a common belief among JWs and exJWs that only Rutherford started the teachings about the earthly class. Russell and other Second Adventists before him had already taught that perhaps most of mankind will survive and/or be resurrected to life on earth. (Some of the ancient worthies might even be resurrected to life on earth and then receive a later heavenly reward.)

    What Russell hadn't anticipated is that there might be many who when told about people receiving "abundant life" or "eternal life" on earth, might consider that a more appropriate reward than heaven, out of their own humility, guilt, fear of flying, or whatever. Russell evidently expected that all Bible Students wouldn't even dream of accepting anything less than the full heavenly promise; it would seem fleshly rather than spiritual to him. But even Russell pointed often to how technical advancements on earth were already proving that the way was being paved for supporting the throngs of resurrected folks and the relatively quick turning of the earth back to paradise. Rutherford's preaching tended to display an even more materialistic appeal. He sounded a lot like a "social" politician making promises of prosperity for the common man. He attracted a lot of people for whom heaven wasn't their primary concern. Of course, in 1935, he stated openly that Bible Students/Jehovah's witnesses themselves were also now being called into this earthly hope.

    I pasted some 1911 WT reprint material below to show where the Isaiah book writer most likely got his material.



    (Watchtower 1911)


    "Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I
    must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall
    be one fold and one Shepherd."--John 10:16.

    DURING the Gospel Age the Lord has but one Church, one flock who follow him. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." (John 10:27.) From the very first there has been no change in the Lord's flock, either in the terms of discipleship or in the reward promised; as we read, "Ye are called in one hope of your calling."-- Eph. 4:4.

    The "other sheep" evidently refer to others who will become the Lord's followers under different conditions and under a different call from that which has gone forth during the Gospel Age. The present flock are called upon to sacrifice the earthly nature and become partakers, with the Master and Shepherd, of the divine nature. (Rom 12:1,2; 2 Tim. 2:11,12; 2 Pet. 1:3,4.) The Lord's flock of the future will not be invited to sacrifice and to a change of nature, but will, on the contrary, be privileged to maintain and retain the human nature; and by obedience will gradually, step by step, experience Restitution to perfection of mind and body and morals, lost through sin in Eden and redeemed by the great Sacrifice at Calvary. These are not now of the "flock," for they are not invited to the divine nature and a heavenly mansion, but will be invited to earthly nature and Paradise restored during the reign of Messiah.


    These other sheep are particularly mentioned by our Master in Matt. 25:31-46. This parable of "the sheep and the goats" belongs, not to this Age--the Gospel Age --but to the coming Age--during the Messianic reign. The introduction of the parable (vs. 31) shows this, saying, "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy messengers with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory, and before him shall be gathered all nations; and he shall separate them one from another as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats."

    The Savior has not yet appeared in his glory, and the promise is that "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye [the Church, the sheep of the present Age] also appear with him in glory." (Col 3:4.) In a word, the overcoming "sheep" of the Gospel Age will be associated with the Great Shepherd in his work of dealing with the world of mankind during his reign. Then all mankind will be on judgment or trial, to be tested with a view to proving who will develop the sheep-like disposition, and who will develop the goat-like disposition.


    During that thousand years all who develop the spirit of obedience will be accepted as members of the Shepherd's flock, on the right hand of favor, as worthy of eternal life; and at the close of that Dispensation will hear his words, "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."--Vs. 34.

    Those of the contrary spirit who, under the favorable conditions of that glorious time, will fail to develop the characteristics of the Lord's sheep--gentleness, meekness, love--will be accounted unworthy of eternal life, unworthy of being considered among the Lord's sheep. By that time these will have taken their places on his left hand of disfavor. Then will they be rejected. The sheep class will abide in the Lord's favor and be granted an abundant entrance into everlasting life; while the goat class will be rejected as unworthy of eternal life and will be sent away to experience his disfavor of everlasting punishment.

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  • searchfothetruth

    Well I stand corrected....

  • benext

    When it comes to book study, it's read the paragraph, look at the question for the paragraph, underline the answer for the question, raise your hand and make your comment based upon the statement in the paragraph that best fits the question.

  • rocketman

    Helpful post from that '11 WT, Gamaliel.

    Amazing how certain they seemed of their understanding of the scriptures, only to end up making a lot of changes. Just goes to show again how the Bible can be understood in many different ways.

  • bluesapphire

    Farkel, I think you should start a thread with all the embarassing stuff Barbara Anderson says they "shit-canned". That would be very interesting.

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