Exactly my view @BoogerMan and the view of most sensible Scots.
Scottish National Party + Nazis
by BoogerMan 26 Replies latest jw friends
-
-
slimboyfat
56% now support independence. How much longer can unionists keep holding back democracy?
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/support-for-scottish-independence-up-to-56-percent/
-
Anony Mous
All these polls suffer from severe sampling issues. There is no way the population at large is really that fickle.
Currently the question is if one supports dependence on the UK or dependence on the EU or true independence. The other question is whether it is practical right now to do any of those things. There is a non-zero group that supports devolution and no separated parliament, many of those would probably fall into the ‘stay’ camp if it came to a binary choice.
In other countries, such as Belgium, Netherlands, Russia and the US there are similar people where you could ask the question to get an answer that could be interpreted as separation from the union, whether that is separation from the EU or Flanders from Wallonia. However when push comes to shove, few people agree with a specific plan that is advanced to be implemented.
I think Scotland could become independent if it truly were to remain independent and not just become a province of the EU. Until then the independents are going to be split between those that want to remain independent and those that just want independence as a precursor to dependence on an even worse bureaucracy.
The question is as always, if Scotland leaves, what will they implement instead, capitalism or continue high levels of socialism. They wouldn’t be able to fund maintaining the NHS disaster, they can’t fund joining the EU, they couldn’t even fund the railway disaster that is Scotrail (a 1B GBP annual sinkhole - 10% of total Scottish income tax revenue). The scots are spending 100B GBP on a 60B GBP total tax revenue and have a GDP growth rate 3x lower that of the UK which is in itself already atrocious. Will independence mean doubling or even tripling taxes? It seems unlikely the current generation of SNP will eliminate any of those cost posts, that would make a sensible balanced budget, but even if SNP got sense, will the people that have gotten used to government handouts accept losing that in exchange for more work and a low tax?
As far as Brexit is concerned, becoming independent has caused the UK to lose less during the pandemic than any other country in the EU, According to the International Monetary Fund figures from October, when measured by nominal GDP, the economy of the United Kingdom is 15.13 percent larger than that of number 2 EU member state France. Besides that the GBP has been stronger than the Euro by a wide margin and nominal GDP has increased this year by 8% vs 4% in France, GDP growth in the UK is slightly ahead overall in comparison to the Euro zone. And that is with some disastrous governance that refuses to stop funding the NHS and other welfare boondoggle.
-
notsurewheretogo
56% now support independence. How much longer can unionists keep holding back democracy?
Sigh...it fluctuates like this all the time and will do so after the Supreme Court "bounce".
-
stan livedeath
i'm all for another referendum--only this time throw it open to everyone in the UK to vote. I bet the outcome would be exactly what they want.
-
Anony Mous
Yes, referenda until we get the answer we want. They got their once in a lifetime referendum that everyone, including SNP promised they would follow the results.
If people were set on independence, they would revolt, not vote.
-
slimboyfat
Sigh...it fluctuates like this all the time and will do so after the Supreme Court "bounce".
Support for independence has risen steadily from 23% to 52% over the past 10 years. You are in denial.