https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party - "However, others in the party were explicitly
pro-Nazi. Hugh MacDiarmid, who stood as an SNP
candidate in 1945, believed that the Nazis were "less dangerous
than our own government" and wrote a poem about the London Blitz
that included the line "I hardly care". Arthur
Donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969,
believed a Nazi invasion would benefit Scotland:
"The government would leave the country and England's position
would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their
only reward for declaring war on Germany. Scotland, on the other
hand, had great possibilities."
Scottish National Party + Nazis
by BoogerMan 26 Replies latest jw friends
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BoogerMan
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punkofnice
They have as Reich Chancellor Nicola Sturgeon as dictator. With a power crazed looney like her in charge, anything is possible.
There are always the 3rd Reich types hidden in plain sight in politics They are scum like all the virtue signalling left leaning, champagne socialists that pretend not to be racist but have a knack of segregating people by colour.
Sturgeon is in politics. Do we really expect politicians with an ego like hers to do anything other than feather their own nests and revel in power? I don't know of any politicians that really give 2 hoots about us proles. They're all filth. I wouldn't urinate in their ears if their tiny brains were on fire.
Perhaps she should just go back to being Jimmy Krankie, she was a bit more likeable then.
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BoogerMan
If I was Jimmy Krankie, I'd sue you for defamation!!
I wonder how many Scots are aware of the SNP's glorious history?
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punkofnice
TBH, of all the Scots I know, they all think the SNP are a bunch of schnooks. But then, who voted them in?
I wouldn't trust Justice secretary Humza Yousaf either. Looks like he's trying to crush free speech. This tells me they want a CCP style dictatorship.
They all seem so pre-occupied with their own power and glory.
Anyway (anyways with an added 's', if you are over the Atlantic to me), I'm not sure if the Scots want freedom from the UK or the UK want to break Scotland off and float it over to Greenland.
It seems that it's only the Politicians that are trying to drive a wedge here.
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slimboyfat
If this is a dig at me I’ll just mention that I have torn up my SNP card, and I am no longer a member of the party. There are plenty of other parties that support independence: Greens, Scottish Socialists, Solidarity, Alba, RISE, and others. (As far as I know, I haven’t actually checked up on the current status of the smaller parties, and they may have split/joined/changed names) Plus there are plenty of supporters of other parties who also support independence. In particular something approaching a half of Labour voters support independence in the latest poll. (I’ll go and check that out and add it to this post, if I can’t find it.)
If you want to talk about authoritarian or fascist tendencies, then what do you call it when the Supreme Court in another country declares that Scotland has no democratic mechanism for leaving its supposed “voluntary union” with England?
Can’t find the party data, but this is the long term attitudes survey that shows support for independence rising over the past few decades to over 50%.
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peacefulpete
As an American I shamefully know just about nothing about the politics over there. Slimboy,,what made you no longer support the SNP? I see on wiki they have some members resisting LGBTQ rights. Was that the issue? From what I read online the party has, unsurprisingly, evolved quite dramatically from WW2 days
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Anony Mous
Ireland was the same, they court-martialed and prosecuted those that fought in WW2 with the Brits for desertion. They only apologized around a decade ago.
Also the Finnish, Dutch and most people in the Baltic (Ukraine fought on both the Nazi and Soviet side). Many voters in those countries were pining for a takeover by a socialist government and joined the fight against the Allied forces.
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BoogerMan
In the 2014 referendum, 62.38% of eligible voters (2,682,011) did not register a vote for Scotland to leave the UK. Since 62.38% of the electorate didn't vote for Scotland to leave the UK, then those who actually voted 'YES' to leave the UK amounted 37.62%. That is the mathematical reality - and one which ridicules the SNP's claims they have a "mandate." -
slimboyfat
You can play games with any election result by excluding non voters if you like. By your own criteria did England vote to leave the EU? Or how many voted for the government in 2019? Or do you only apply these special criteria to election results you don’t agree with?
I’d just point out that rigging the system against Scotland is a failed strategy because in 1979 Scotland was denied devolution on the basis of a dodgy, last-minute adjustment to the voting criteria which demanded more than a majority. All it achieved was to foster resentment and resulted in a huge majority for devolution 18 years later. Will unionists ever learn that attempting to deny democracy doesn’t work?
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slimboyfat
peacefulpete I left the SNP because it has gone soft on independence, the leader is a liar who should have been removed from office, and they are increasingly incompetent. I don’t agree with their self-certification policy for trans people either, but for me that is a minor issue. Scottish independence is much bigger than one party. As I said, there are many Labour voters who support independence too.
Of course you are correct that the SNP has evolved over the decades. Nowadays it is left-centre party, to the left of other mainstream parties in the UK. Anti-SNP partisans try to imply that SNP don’t have a left-centre past, and that they are not entirely peaceful by distorting the actions of some in the SNP nearly a century ago. The only people that find these sorts of slurs relevant are extreme unionists largely talking to themselves. It has no legitimate place in the conversation about the majority of Scots who now want the country to be independent. It’s a desperate attempt to deflect from the basic issue of democracy - that a majority vote for independence should be respected.