2018 Closes With an Islamist Terror Attack in Manchester

by cofty 23 Replies latest social current

  • snare&racket

    Fundementalism is the danger, be it right wing, left wing, religious or otherwise.

    We all belong to this forum for a reason. We were all once fundamentalist 'christians' that were agreeable to death without blood, homophobia, shunning of loved ones and the mass genocide of all non JW's.

    We know how easy it is to be manipulated and radicalised. The dangerous is the human being vulnerable to unhealthy moulding.

    Without doubt many people are petrified of islamic radicals....but there is also a fear in Europe and the USA of old extremist right wing thinking encroaching into society again. In the USA there is a huge fear of violent leftists who have developed an aggressive ironicslluy non-liberal position on many things.

    As a liberal, im horrified at how these SJW's behave and act. I believe there should be a platform for Ben Shspiro, Milo, Jordan Peterson even Gavin Mcinnes or Alex Jones. Its unhealthy to try snd control thought and conversation. Some liberals would be horrified by that and that is my point.

    We've sll been radicalised by Watchtower and we are a testament that not everyone thinks the same way in a group! Not every incident or case is the same, as with this attack...

    "In a statement, Greater Manchester Police said the suspect had "been assessed by specialist staff and detained under the Mental Health Act".

  • resolute Bandicoot
    resolute Bandicoot

    S&R - the suspect had "been assessed by specialist staff and detained under the Mental Health Act".

    14 centuries of first cousin marriages and a very high percentage of them are insane, this alone is a very good reason to stop them at the boarders and send them ALL back.

  • snare&racket

    Having many Muslim friends I am glad that I have experienced a different life and know otherwise.

    Believe what you wish.

  • cofty

    The problem is with Islamism. We see the contrast in the picture in the OP between the Islamist terrorist and the Muslim woman offering assistance.

    Framing all Muslims as potential terrorists is as misguided as pretending terrorists are not motivated by their religion.

  • waton
    S&R, Without doubt many people are petrified of islamic radicals....but there is also a fear in Europe and the USA of old extremist right wing thinking encroaching into society again.

    With due respect, these right wing people, and they are not nazis,imho, have come to these convictions because their way of life, family are being endangered by the unwanted infiltration of these foreign values, individuals, into their in many ways desirable societies. In the process, are on the way of being slowly destroyed.

    Foreign people, civilisations are fine, with many brilliant and decent people. but they and we are way better of, if they confined themselves to heir territories. not establish parallel societies in where previously there was peace and harmony. The conflict comes because they are comers. and often pushers. not integrators

  • Biahi

    Menrov, true most Muslims don’t mean any harm, but it took only 19 of them to bring down the World Trade Center and the planes over PA and DC, over 3000 killed.

  • GermanXJW
    You suggested I was like a mass killer responsible for the death of 77 people. But sure, you are the one that has been oh so terribly insulted. (Simon)

    I said: "This is the train of thought of the Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik."

    You wrote:

    When people are violently xenophobic toward citizens of a country they have illegally entered, it's called an invasion.
    What do people expect if politicians allow an invasion and do nothing about it? People will defend themselves, their families and their communities. It will start with things like this and end with open fighting in the streets.


    I can only assume it's a general "white guilt" and conditioning to toe the SJW leftist line.

    This is what Breivik wrote in his Manifesto (2011):

    Western nations can never mount a defence against Muslim colonisation/invasion if this is always dismissed as “racism.” But above all, if you believe that non-white racism exists, it is actually immoral not to deal with the problem and its victims. I am convinced that not just non-white, but especially anti-white racism is real and a very underestimated phenomena.(.p. 397)
    Explain what you have done (in an announcement distributed prior to operation) and make certain that everyone understands that we, the free peoples of Europe, are going to strike again and again. Do
    not apologise, make excuses or express regret for you are acting in self-defence or in a preemptive manner. In many ways, morality has lost its meaning in our struggle. The question of good and evil is reduced to one simple choice. For every free patriotic
    European, only one choice remains: Survive or perish. (p. 846)

    You later get again personal on me:
    I don't know why people like you feel the need to promote a false and distorted view of the world, whether it's guilt for the past (I doubt it, so few Germans seem to genuinely acknowledge their ancestors past it's a wonder Hitler managed to ever fill a tent, plus other nationalities do it too)
    Well., since I used to be a JW in fourth generation, my familiy was persecuted and imprisoned, some killed, in the "Third Reich". So, no guilt on my side for the deeds of Germany in the 30/40s, I have become an agnostic, not into any religion at all but I acknowledge there are people who stick to this. And I know there have been Muslims living peacefully in Germany since the 1960s.Most here are Muslims like others are Protestants or Catholics. My way out of the JW also made me a skeptic, going back to prime source and not caring if someone with the "truth" is trying to insult me. That is why I am aware of Breivik's manifesto or "Dabiq" the glossy magazine of the Islamic State. Latter outline their strategy quite frankly: stir hatred against Muslims so that they can encourage them to fight. I am aware of German history and I know that it did not start with concentration camps but also using crimes of jews to generalize.
    I don't change my opinions based on meeting face-to-face with someone or not
    This was not about changing opinions but about a decent level of debate. Unfortunately, in the anonymity of the Internet many forget that there is a human being on the other side at a key-board. I thought reminding you of our meeting would remind you of that. I was wrong which is sad. But do not worry. This is not the first time I am losing people who I thought I had some relationship with.
  • Giordano

    This is where I grew up and I am very proud of the people who live and work in this neighborhood. People adapt and learn how to get along with one another. Crimes are punished, education is valued....... as is hard work. America is still great.

    Land of 167 Languages. New York City's Jackson Heights neighborhood, subject of Frederick Wiseman's IN JACKSON HEIGHTS. Locals says there are precisely 167 languages spoken in the Jackson Heights neighborhood of Queens.Nov 6, 2015
    Take a look at what America looks like now:

    Land of 167 Languages | Documentary of the Week | WNYC

  • Simon

    While Catholicism and Protestantism have had bloody periods of history (often intertwined with political conflicts) the situation with Islam is very different.

    It's been bloody its entire existence.

    The actually quite large number of people who are extreme enough to conduct terrorist acts and travel to fight for their Caliphate does make the rest look mild and moderate by comparison but it's a mistake to assume that they are. The terrorists distort the view - the majority are only moderate by comparison but they are far from moderate.

    There is really no such thing as a moderate muslim and many of these 'regular' people live in fear because of their community and lack the freedoms that we take for granted - even just the feel of a summer breeze in your hair.

    A significantly large number of the muslim population of western countries hold beliefs and opinions that are completely out of the range of normal, mild or moderate where they support killing ex-members, gays and jews for instance. This is documented and the fact that they are willing to even voice these opinions says a lot about how "moderate" they are.

    The pretence of being moderate and peaceful only happens in western countries where they are a minority and there is some rule of law and even then, we see an incredibly disproportionate high number of them involved in the most disgusting crimes imaginable such as child rape.

    In countries where they have a majority there is:

    Open abuse of children, accepted as 'their culture'
    Hacking to death of people in the street for apostacy
    Wholesale abuse of women and girls (no support from the feminists)
    Slavery (yes, people are being sold as slaves in 2018)

    This is no benign faith and there are no moderate muslims except those who still need to pretend to be one. There is a pattern to how it takes over - they start with installing people into positions of authority, mayors, school councillors, politicians, next they insist that society changes so as not to offend them - women should cover up, no criticism of Islam, streets close for public displays of their religion (which they could / should do in their mosque, but is done in the street to impose on others) and finally they implement as much of their Sharia laws as they can.

  • resolute Bandicoot
    resolute Bandicoot
    What Islam Isn't - Dr. Peter Hammond

    What Islam Isn't

    By Dr. Peter Hammond

    The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

    Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

    Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

    Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

    When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

    As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

    United States -- Muslim 1.0%
    Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
    Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
    China -- Muslim 1%-2%
    Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
    Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

    Denmark -- Muslim 2%
    Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
    Spain -- Muslim 4%
    Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

    They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chai ns to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

    France -- Muslim 8%
    Philippines -- Muslim 5%
    Sweden -- Muslim 5%
    Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

    When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

    Guyana -- Muslim 10%
    India -- Muslim 13.4%
    Israel -- Muslim 16%
    Kenya -- Muslim 10%
    Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

    After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

    At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

    Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
    Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

    From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

    Albania -- Muslim 70%
    Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan -- Muslim 70%

    After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

    Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
    Egypt -- Muslim 90%
    Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
    Iran -- Muslim 98%
    Iraq -- Muslim 97%
    Jordan -- Muslim 92%
    Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
    Palestine -- Muslim 99%
    Syria -- Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
    Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

    Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
    Somalia -- Muslim 100%
    Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

    Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

    'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel." Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

    It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

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