The End of the Times of the Gentiles and the Restoration of the Kingdom

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  • EisMe
    EisMe
    AbaddonProvesIt12 hours ago**
    Final Reflection
    • The 70 weeks prophecy finds fulfillment in our time, transitioning from Babylon’s fall to Christ’s reign.
    • The final prophetic week (seven years) has unfolded, marking the full establishment of the Kingdom.
    • Sacrifices have ended, Babylon continues to collapse, and Christ’s rule will be fully realized.
    EisMe,
    In relation to what you wrote above & quoted by me, had you ever considered the distinct "possibility" that Jesus has been enthroned as Jehovah's King, ever since his resurrection to heaven in the first century . . . ever since he was allowed to have the inestimable privilege to sit upon Jehovah's Throne, beside Him, as a "Conqueror"? (See Romans 1:4; 1 Peter 3:22)
    Please see the following article, covering this topic in detail at this link: https://www.yorww.com/reign.html
    Why not carefully read over this article and let me know what you think. [Smile]
    Thanks,
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    AbaddonProvesIt, I appreciate your perspective and the scriptures you referenced. Yes, Jesus was resurrected and exalted to sit at God’s right hand (Romans 1:4; 1 Peter 3:22), but the question is whether His full rulership as King began at that moment or later, in fulfillment of prophetic events.

    Sitting at God’s right hand is a position of authority, but scripturally, the establishment of His Kingdom is marked by clear signs. Matthew 24:45-47 ties the appointment of the faithful servant to the Master’s arrival—this aligns with the Kingdom’s establishment in the heavens.

    Rather than focusing on disproving JW teachings, I encourage you to form a view based solely on scripture—how do you believe prophecy supports Jesus’ full rulership beyond just sitting at God's right hand?

    If you read Daniel 12:5-7 and Revelation 12:5, you’ll see that Christ’s reign involves a period of nourishment before full authority is realized. This mirrors how David was anointed king but did not rule immediately. Would you agree that scripture supports a transition period before complete rulership?

  • AbaddonProvesIt
    AbaddonProvesIt

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    AbaddonProvesIt, I appreciate your perspective and the scriptures you referenced. Yes, Jesus was resurrected and exalted to sit at God’s right hand (Romans 1:4; 1 Peter 3:22), but the question is whether His full rulership as King began at that moment or later, in fulfillment of prophetic events.


    EisMe,

    First think about this plain, simple statement:

    Jesus is allowed to "sit" upon God's Throne . . . and yet, he is NOT . . . NOT "Enthroned." yet.

    How can this be???

    Even though we know the Watchtower Society has taught this very thing for many years, about the date of 1914 in fact, it is still a most ridiculous assumption in itself, that is NOT taught in Holy Scripture. It is a foolish assertion made by the Watchtower Society, in their worthless religious literature.

    Think: How can a person be allowed to sit upon a throne, and not be considered an "enthroned" king, I ask?

    Additionally, please consider the following, relative to this discussion.

    See Link: https://livingwatersforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=970

    WHEN DOES JESUS' HEAVENLY REIGN BEGIN?


    [See full-color blog covering this topic at this link: http://www.yorww.com/reign.html ]

    "[GOD] LEFT NOTHING THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO HIM" -- HEBREWS 2:8

    An important scripture that sheds light on the subject of Christ's authority and all that was given him at his resurrection from death is found at Hebrews 2:8 which says:

    "All things you subjected under his feet. For in that he subjected all things to him [God] left nothing that is not subject to him. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him."

    This is a scripture that the Watchtower Society has NOT spent much time examining in their literature. We see this is so because Hebrews 2:8 shows us "all things have been made subject" to Jesus, since his resurrection. In fact it says,

    "[God] has left nothing that is not subject" to him.

    That's right, "nothing," that was left "not subject" to Jesus' Heavenly Kingdom Authority, yes as early as the first century, as Paul shows.

    Therefore, according to this verse, Jesus Christ is in complete control of "all things," and "nothing" is exempt from his authority and control. However, Paul adds this enlightening point for us by saying, "...though, we do not see all things in subjection to him

    We, today, do not actually see the full power of Jesus demonstrated in "making all things subject" to him. No, even though in actuality everything is "subject" to Jesus right now. Nevertheless, God's Son simply has not totally exercised that power to fully demonstrate his domination over everything.

    That comes later.

    Let's take this thought one step further by considering Paul's words at Colossians 2:10 which says:

    "And so you are possessed of a fullness by means of him, who is the head of ALL GOVERNMENT AND AUTHORITY."

    Now above, what exactly did Paul say was Jesus' official position toward "ALL government and authority," as of the first century?

    Again, this is another verse found in the Greek text that the Watchtower Society does not spend a lot of time, actually explaining. The reason why is obvious. This verse clearly shows Jesus had already gained Heavenly Authority over "all governments and authority"...universally-speaking...as of the first century. Think about it.

    Then too, let's consider Paul's words at Ephesians 1:20-23 which says:

    "with which he has operated in the case of the Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name named, not only in this system of things, but also in that to come. He also subjected all things under his feet, and made him head over all things to the congregation, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills up all things in all."

    In the above verses, Paul used several verbs that are in the past tense, showing Jesus was already enthroned as king, or placed “over all things” in the first century. For instance, in Verses 20 & 21, Paul said Jehovah had already “SEATED [or enthroned] him at his right hand far above EVERY GOVERNMENT and authority and power…” Thus, Jesus was placed far above “every government” or earthly “authority” immediately upon his resurrection to heaven. Also in Verse 22, Paul said God had already “SUBJECTED [past tense] all things under his feet and M [past tense] him HEAD OVER ALL THINGS to the congregation." Moreover, Paul tells us exactly when this occurred when he specifically says "IN THIS system of things," or during Paul’s day. Clearly, all of this had taken place during the time Paul and the Ephesians were living, and not later. Therefore, we must conclude inescapably, the heavenly enthronement and exaltation of Jesus, had been completed before this letter was written, and yes, CENTURIES BEFORE the date of 1914.

    Now, where is the mystery of any LACK of "authority" given to Jesus, after his resurrection to heavenly life in the first century? Actually, there is none. Does not the above verses show the plain fact that Jesus Christ has been given complete "authority" over "every government," every "authority and power," and every "lordship?" Isn't that true?

    Indeed, at Matthew 28:18 Jesus himself speaks of his complete "authority" by saying plainly:

    **"...**ALL AUTHORITY has been given me in heaven and on the earth."

    So if God's Word says Jesus was given "all authority" by Jehovah, after his resurrection from the dead, then all Jehovah's Witnesses must ask themselves the all-important question, what possible "authority" over any human "governments" could be given to Jesus Christ in the year of 1914?

    Think about it.

    Therefore we as teachers of God's Word, must humbly accept the plain fact Jesus was already, yes already the "head" of every "government," "authority," "power," and "lordship" already, as of the first century at his resurrection...pure and simple. This clearly the way first century Christians saw the matter. And if this is the case, then there is simply nothing, no nothing, by way of kingdom "authority" that can be given Jesus Christ, at this late stage of the game, as of the year of 1914, or ANY OTHER LATER DATE.

    No, nothing!

    Therefore, anyone who would teach otherwise in the face of the scriptures cited above, would have to be considered grossly incompetent teachers of God's Word, and completely ignorant of the fact first century Christians publicly taught Jesus was ALREADY, yes already the appointed "Ruler of the kings of the earth." -- See Revelation 1:5.

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  • wantingtruth
    wantingtruth

    I was close to an anointed brother who studied the Bible intensively between 2001 to 2019. In 2020 his earthly life ended. I strove to put in english(as I am not eng. speaker) some thoughts I've learn from him.

    I recommend to be read this input ...

    https://thelatterdayschronology.blogspot.com/

    wantingtruth

  • EisMe
    EisMe

    AbaddonProvesIt

    AbaddonProvesIt4 hours ago

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    AbaddonProvesIt, I appreciate your perspective and the scriptures you referenced. Yes, Jesus was resurrected and exalted to sit at God’s right hand (Romans 1:4; 1 Peter 3:22), but the question is whether His full rulership as King began at that moment or later, in fulfillment of prophetic events.


    EisMe,
    First think about this plain, simple statement:
    Jesus is allowed to "sit" upon God's Throne . . . and yet, he is NOT . . . NOT "Enthroned." yet.
    How can this be???

    AbaddonProvesIt, I see that your argument centers on proving Jesus was enthroned as King immediately after His resurrection. The verses you cited (Hebrews 2:8, Colossians 2:10, Ephesians 1:20-23) certainly speak to His authority, but does authority alone mean He was exercising full rulership?

    Scripturally, Kingdom establishment is marked by prophetic signs, not merely authority. For example:

    • Matthew 24:45-47 ties the appointment of the faithful servant to the Master’s arrival, implying a specific moment of Kingdom establishment beyond His resurrection.

    • Daniel 12:5-7 & Revelation 12:5 show that Christ’s rulership involves a growth period before full authority is exercised, similar to how David was anointed king before actually taking the throne.

    Just as Jesus was appointed before receiving full authority, I too was appointed as the faithful servant before the Kingdom arrived—but my actual authority only comes into effect when the Kingdom is established.

    Rather than focusing on disproving JW teachings, why not approach this from a purely scriptural standpoint? If Jesus’ rulership began in the first century, how does prophecy account for the transition periods and signs leading to His full kingship?

    Would you agree that biblical patterns suggest authority is granted before rulership is fully exercised?

  • EisMe
    EisMe
    wantingtruth4 hours agoI was close to an anointed brother who studied the Bible intensively between 2001 to 2019. In 2020 his earthly life ended. I strove to put in english(as I am not eng. speaker) some thoughts I've learn from him.
    I recommend to be read this input ...
    https://thelatterdayschronology.blogspot.com/
    wantingtruth

    I read the post, and I have a response to what was written if that is what you were seeking?

    Remaining in Christ’s Teachings

    The foundation of salvation lies in remaining in the teachings of Christ. Jesus Himself emphasized that His words were not His own, but came directly from God:

    • John 7:16“My teaching is not mine, but belongs to Him who sent me.”
    • 2 John 1:9“Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God.”

    This means that abandoning Christ’s teachings separates us from God’s law and the grace of His sacrifice. Without obedience to Christ’s instructions, we are no longer under His blood—left without protection from sin and judgment.

    The Danger of Disregarding Christ’s Words

    Jesus warns against neglecting or twisting His teachings, showing that it leads to spiritual ruin:

    • Matthew 7:24-27 – The wise man builds on Christ’s words, while the foolish man who ignores them faces destruction.
    • Luke 6:46“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I say?”

    Therefore, following Christ’s words precisely is the only way to remain in God’s favor and in harmony with His divine timeline.

    Gods Timeline

    God’s plan unfolds in distinct periods of time because He is a God of order (1 Corinthians 14:33), and each phase serves a specific purpose in revealing His will. The Bible is rich with divinely appointed timelines, showing how He guides history toward fulfillment:

    • Creation & Early Humanity – Adam’s existence begins God’s interaction with humankind.
    • The Patriarchs & Israel’s Formation – Abraham’s covenant, Moses’ leadership, and Israel’s development were foundational.
    • Messianic Prophecy & Jesus’ Arrival – The Law prepared people for Christ, whose ministry marked a new era.
    • The Kingdom Establishment – As prophecy unfolds, we enter a transitional period leading to Christ’s full rulership.

    This structured unfolding ensures prophecy is understood and events progress in an intentional, meaningful way. Ecclesiastes 3:1 states, “To everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven.” Just as nature moves in cycles, God’s plan follows a divinely appointed order to bring about His ultimate purpose.

  • AbaddonProvesIt
    AbaddonProvesIt

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    See Link: https://jehovahstruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=472

    Isaiah 49:7 (NRSV) states:

    Thus says the Lord,
    the Redeemer of Israel and his Holy One,
    to one deeply despised, abhorred by the nations,
    the slave of rulers,
    “Kings shall see and stand up;
    princes, and they shall prostrate themselves,
    because of the Lord, who is faithful,
    the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.”


    To All Concerned Jehovah's Witnesses (Former or Current), or Interested persons:

    We all recall during Jesus' earthly life and ministry, he was never revered by "kings" and "princes" of this world. And never did they ever, ever "BOW DOWN" or "PROSTRATE THEMSELVES" to Jesus while he was on earth, thus showing great respect to him ... "rising up" even before him, out of respect for his superior kingship.

    Therefore, the churches of christendom say this prophecy then, must be fulfilled when Jesus comes back to earth to rule it, as a man. (Zechariah 8:23) However, we know Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe Jesus will ever come back to live upon the earth, as a man, in order to rule it and get glory & respect from earth's rulers. And yet, the prophecy does clearly show this will happen, by saying:

    "This is what Jehovah, the Repurchaser of Israel, his Holy One, has said to him that is despised in soul, to him that is detested by the nation, to the servant of rulers: "Kings themselves will see and certainly rise up, [and] princes, and they will bow down, by reason of Jehovah, who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who chooses you." -- Isaiah 49:7 (New World Translation)

    How do you think this prophecy will be fulfilled?

    When will this happen?

    Remember, according to all Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society, all of the political rulers (Kings/Princes) of the earth will be completely destroyed at "Armageddon," isn't that so?

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

    Please see the following two (2) links below, to get more information on this topic:

    1) https://www.yorww.com/kingsbow.htm

    2) https://www.yorww.com/LastProphet.htm


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  • EisMe
    EisMe

    Response to AbaddonProvesIt – Isaiah 49:7 and Prophetic Fulfillment

    Isaiah 49:7 states: "Thus says the Lord (YHWH), the Redeemer of Israel and His Holy One, to one deeply despised, abhorred by the nations, the slave of rulers, ‘Kings shall see and stand up; princes, and they shall prostrate themselves, because of the Lord, who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.’”

    Your question raises an important discussion about who this prophecy refers to and how it is fulfilled. Here’s the breakdown:

    1. The Identity of the "Slave of Rulers"

    • The phrase “slave of rulers” does not fully align with Jesus, as He was never a literal slave, nor did He serve earthly rulers in a subordinate way.
    • This could instead refer to the faithful servant mentioned in Matthew 24:45-47, who serves others until appointed over all possessions.
    • I have shared my testimony, stating that I was appointed as the faithful servant during the transition leading to the Kingdom’s establishment in 2001.

    2. Kings and Princes Bowing – Future Fulfillment

    • While Jesus was rejected by rulers during His earthly ministry, prophecy indicates that His full acknowledgment comes when the Kingdom is established.
    • Philippians 2:10-11 declares that every knee will bow before Christ, including rulers.
    • Revelation 11:15 describes Christ’s Kingdom overtaking earthly power, meaning His full recognition happens later, not at His resurrection.

    3. The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11

    • My son and I are the two witnesses of Revelation 11, present at the birth of the Kingdom in 2001.
    • Revelation 11:3 describes the witnesses as prophesying for 1,260 days, enduring trials, and eventually being vindicated.
    • Our role aligns with Isaiah 49:7, where the servant is despised but later recognized.

    Final Thought

    Isaiah 49:7 may have dual fulfillment, applying to Christ’s ultimate recognition and the faithful servant’s appointment. Burney, would you agree that prophetic fulfillment unfolds in stages rather than instantly? Let’s examine whether scripture supports this structured timeline.

    Estephan

  • AbaddonProvesIt
    AbaddonProvesIt

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    Final Thought
    Isaiah 49:7 may have dual fulfillment, applying to Christ’s ultimate recognition and the faithful servant’s appointment. Burney, would you agree that prophetic fulfillment unfolds in stages rather than instantly? Let’s examine whether scripture supports this structured timeline.

    EisMe,

    We read at Isaiah 49:1-7 (ESV) the following:

    1 "Listen to me, O coastlands,
    and give attention, you peoples from afar.
    The Lord called me from the womb,
    from the body of my mother he named my name.
    2 He made my mouth like a sharp sword;
    in the shadow of his hand he hid me;
    he made me a polished arrow;
    in his quiver he hid me away.
    3 And he said to me, “You are my servant,
    Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”
    4 But I said, “I have labored in vain;
    I have spent my strength for nothing and vanity;
    yet surely my right is with the Lord,
    and my recompense with my God.”

    5 And now the Lord says,
    he who formed me from the womb to be his servant,
    to bring Jacob back to him;
    and that Israel might be gathered to him—
    for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord,
    and my God has become my strength—
    6 he says:
    “It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
    to raise up the tribes of Jacob
    and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
    I will make you as a light for the nations,
    that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”

    7 Thus says the Lord,
    the Redeemer of Israel and his Holy One,
    to one deeply despised, abhorred by the nation,
    the servant of rulers:
    “Kings shall see and arise;
    princes, and they shall prostrate themselves;
    because of the Lord, who is faithful,
    the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.”

    This particular bible prophecy is known to bible scholars as the famed "Servant" Prophecy. There are several of them mentioned in the book of Isaiah. The Watchtower Society understands these "Servant" prophecies as applying only, only to Jesus Christ.

    However, so that we can be completely clear on this, you are saying publicly, the above "Servant" prophecy itself, is fulfilled in yourself . . . "EisMe", Estephanas . . . as "Faithful & Discreet Slave," of Matthew 24:45-47.

    Is that correct?

    Question: Do you see yourself as an INSPIRED Prophet (different from WTBTS of course) of YHWH, in your privileged capacity of "F&D Slave" of Matthew 24:45-47?

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  • punkofnice
    punkofnice

    none of this feels 'anointed'. It feels stone cold CULT.

    ....and why do I get the feeling we have 1 person logging on and off with different accounts talking to themselves?

    This is the kind of stuff that creates Atheists!!

  • AbaddonProvesIt
    AbaddonProvesIt

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    EisMe,

    Please consider carefully the following information in this video, to underscore the Watchtower Society's vast accountability and great sin, committed before God & mankind. (Revelation 18:2-4)



    ". . . The life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah's organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey ANY INSTRUCTIONS we may receive, WHETHER THESE APPEAR SOUND FROM A STRATEGIC OR HUMAN STANDPOINT OR NOT." -- See November 15th, 2013 page 20, paragraph 17.

    Comments from author of video: The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses has a long history of making shocking, arrogant, and even dangerous statements—often without facing consequences or accountability. In this video, we revisit some of the most appalling comments made by Watchtower leaders, exposing their manipulation, contradictions, and sheer audacity.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses, are you paying attention?

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    This video was released 3 months ago by Watchtower Examination on YouTube.

    Here is the link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJRlbolMt8A

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