Today's Study - Shun Disfellowshipped Family, Don't Marry Outsiders, Tell On Others!

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  • Gefangene

    12 Daniel, a brother in Mexico, needed to choose between being loyal to God and seeking his own selfish interests. He wanted to marry a girl who was not a believer. Says Daniel: I continued writing to her even after I entered the pioneer service.

    Didn't he know that sooner or later he would have to come to a decision about her? To me this sounds like he was leading her on in a way. Messing with her heart and feelings.

    Soon my joy in the ministry increased.” Daniel later married a fine Christian sister and now serves as a circuit overseer.

    Bravo David. We are glad that your joy in the ministry increased after leaving the poor woman behind with a broken heart. But anyways.. her feelings don't matter as shes a worldly person only. A subhuman that will be killed in armageddon anyways. I hope she got over the heartbreak and found a good man to never leave or hurt her. I'm foaming at David's behaviour and the way he's being applauded for playing with someone's feelings

  • Truthexplorer

    When talking about the WT study after the zone visit, I asked my Mrs on what grounds she would shun her own mother if her mother was disfellowshipped. For example, would it be on the grounds she murdered someone; she robbed a bank; she got into prostitution; she decided to leave the JW's and become a Baptist, She started celebrating her grand children's birthdays; She disagreed with some of WT's teachings. She said it all depends on the situation. I said er well...darling, according to that study today, it doesn't matter how big or small the reason for her being disfellowshipped, you would be expected to 'Shun'/ cut off your own mother....for the rest of your life if need be! unless she came back into the (captive religion) of Jehovah's Witnesses again. That's what would be expected of you according to Gods chosen (the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses).

    She then said NO!....she would not shun her own mother if df'd, and she knows that only 'certain types' of Witnesses would do that. I said well I am glad to hear you wouldn't do that, because I certainly would never do that to my own mother. When she said only certain types of Witnesses would do that, I knew exactly the kind she meant!

  • dubstepped
    @Gefangene - Excellent post! They don't even think about anyone else. They are such blowhards and narcissists that it is always about them and them only. It is like when a sister in the congregation has an unbelieving mate and has to endure comments about how they can find a good brother in the new system to marry, which of course necessitates the slaughter of her current husband at Armageddon, but those are minor details to JW's that dehumanize everyone but themselves.
  • Lieu
    Matthew 6:14-15 NET"For if you forgive others their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. [15] But if you do not forgive others, your Father will not forgive you your sins.
    Lord's Prayer stuff
  • violias

    The local churches ( in my area) are actually similar to jws in shunning. They may not be quite as strict but this area is a stronghold of Pentecostal and similar type religions and they practice DF'ing too.

    I would love to live somewhere that people only went to church on Sunday and people did not care what you did the rest of the week. That does not exist in my area, a very strict fundamental Christian area.

    I saw a jw in a department store the other day and at first I did not recognize them but when I did they averted their eyes and went on by. I am not DF'd. It is fairly well known that I hate everything the WTBS stands for, however.

    I have thought about attending another church but I'm pretty sure that they are waiting for me to do that so they can DF me. Maybe I could attend outside my area. It is a smallish town.

  • Lieu

    JWs and Pentacostals / 7 Day Advts are pretty much the same. I do believe they are split offs of Russell's former followers and Bible reading friends.

    They were all friends and rapture nutz.

  • Waves

    Oh my gosh, I was just reading the forums but wanted to make an account to reply to this thread.

    The second one about "brother Daniel" was similar to what happened to me and my ex JW boyfriend. We're still friends (we have a long long history) but he told me about coming across this on Sunday. We both have a good sense of humor and found it funny since it described our past situation, cept he dumped me months before he got baptized. No one ever found out about us and was easy to keep secret since it was long distance.

    Joking aside, I don't tell him how I think all that stuff is trash but he might know that already. I'm Christian so it ticks me off when they use the phrase "in the truth" as if I'm not.

  • Divergent
    Welcome, Waves! Sorry to hear about your experience. Glad to hear though that you both are still friends. Do you think things would have worked out for you guys if he had not dumped you?
  • Waves

    @Divergent Definitely would have. We had our share of problems but besides the JW thing, all were solveable. It's not all his fault, he warned me that he was looking to pursue the religion and I knew what it meant.

    He grew up in a mostly non practicing family but had relatives who were more serious and he was always interested in it/pulled towards it.

  • peely

    Hi Lieu,

    You said, "Too bad they don't follow what Christ says ... ever. They give reason to be ignored. Anyone calling themselves followers of Christ, yet make rules that supercede his, shows they think they know better than Christ ... these people are to unequivocally be ignored if not shunned for their vain insolence."

    It is interesting that you brought Matt 28, since those words really pertain to those in the organization. The symbolic number seven pretty much means a progression toward completeness, whether it is in ourselves or in the situation around us. Seventy-seven times are also brought out in Dan 9:24

    “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place."

    This period of atonement coordinates well with Jesus’ words in Matt 18:22

    Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times"

    By directing the scriptures back to those in the organization their fulfilment is evident. The symbolic“two witnesses” of Revelation are those spiritual “killed” through disfellowshipping for their testimony of Christ, and are exposing the faults of not only the GB but the organization as a whole. They are grouped with all others of Rev 20:4 who have been "beheaded" for this testimony. Revelation is a symbolic book, the beheading today is a cutting off of words/speach which is accomplished through shunning.

    “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector. “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

    "And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”
    If anyone tries to harm them, Fire comes from their mouths" Rev 11:3,5a

    "'Is not my word like fire?' declares the LORD" Jer 23:29

    "I will make my words in your mouth a fire and these people the wood it consumes" Jer 5:14b

    "for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you" Matt 10:20

    Like Christ, the spirit of truth and the words of God issue forth from the mouths of God's "two witnesses", a symbol of those who speak truth in Christ. Rev 2:16; 19:11,14;17:14; 2 Cor 10:4-5; Eph 6:17; Heb 4:12; Rev 2:16

    Once the time period of “seventy sevens” is finished, truth is completely established on the earth and within those who have atoned for the sins they left behind. Seven times means a period of refinement and cleansing; the end of seventy-seven times signifies its completion where righteousness then reigns.

    But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 1 Tim 6:11

    "And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God." Phil 1:9-11

    Dan 9 also brings out that at the end of this “seventy sevens” the Most Holy place is anointed. This is the complete restoration of the Body of Christ, God’s Temple which is initiated by the call of Christ through “two witnesses” sent out to awake the chosen ones to repentance of their sins. 1 Cor 16:19-20; 1 Pet 2:5-9

    “For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light. This is why it is said:

    “Wake up, sleeper,
    rise from the dead,
    and Christ will shine on you.” Eph 5:8-14

    As you say, the rules the organization has set supersede Christ's rules and exist in the absence of his light. Where darkness resides, so does death.



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