Are Jehovah's Witnesses a cult just as evil and dangerous as Islam?

by cookiemaster 39 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • LoveUniHateExams

    We live in secular societies, not Christian societies - true but the nice secular societies have only happened in countries that were once Christian or that have Christian heritage. Why is this? Is it because Christian beliefs have acted like a buffer, or have given societies some kind of peace, stability and humanity so that secularism can sprout and thrive?

    It's only this wonderful invention of secularism that allows us to do that, because without doubt, a theocratic Christian society would be a nightmare - but Jesus told his followers to obey the superior authorities, not to overthrow them. Even JWs - Christian extremists - obey the superior authorities while peacefully waiting on God's kingdom. A theocratic Christian society would only happen if God were to miraculously set up his kingdom on earth.

    Contrast this with Muslims - in every country they've ever lived in, they've multiplied at a faster pace than the infidels and eventually taken over. Turkey was once 99% Christian, look at it now. People are kidding themselves if they deny that at least some Muslims want to make Western countries Muslim.

  • sparrowdown

    The majority of muslims are peaceful? In Hitler's Germany the majority of germans were peaceful the same can be said of other countries where genocidal atrocoties have been committed, the majority of the people were peaceful. All that was needed for these things to happen was a murderous minority on a power trip the peaceful majority were irrelevent.

  • jp1692

    If tomorrow morning Anthony Morris, or some other GB member, issued a decree to all JWs worldwide instructing them to strap on a suicide vest and blow themselves up in the service of Jehovah, what percentage of JWs do you think would comply without question or hesitation?

    Think of a number and then do the math.

  • jp1692
    Cookiemaster: Christianity was just as barbaric as ISIS in the past

    Did someone just mention the Spanish Inquisition? Three hundred and fifty-six years of fun and games in Catholic Europe.

    Don't get me started on the Crusades ...

  • Bungi Bill
    Bungi Bill

    I don't know that the rise of secularism had anything to do with Christianity.

    Whatever peaceful message Jesus Christ preached, it still failed to prevent Christians from carrying out the most savage of atrocities on each other (and also on persons of other religions, including Jews and Muslims). I know that different things frighten different people, but to me, burning people to death at the stake is an even more cruel way of killing them than stoning or beheading. Both Catholic inquisitions and Protestant reformers were guilty of carrying out this "cruel and unusual" form of punishment - and all in the name of the "Prince of Peace", Jesus Christ!

    In 19th Century New Zealand, it took the newly-converted Maori people very little time to wake up to these facts. They quickly noted that the Ten Commandments took a distant second place between Monday morning and midnight Saturday - then got placed on indefinite Leave of Absence whenever there was a war on!

    Similarly, the same point was not lost on African people. So much so that they developed a parody of the hymn "Onward Christian Soldiers", which reads:

    Onward Christian soldiers, into heathen lands,

    Prayer books in your pockets, rifles in your hands.

    Bring the happy tidings, of where trade might be done,

    Preach your Peaceful Gospel, with the Maxim gun.

    (Those familiar with firearms will know that the Maxim was the world's first automatically-firing machine gun. During the late 18th and early 20th Centuries, it was the Weapon of Mass Destruction. European colonial powers made widespread use of it to "pacify" the "savages" of Asia and Africa). )

    As all of us here should be aware (being former JWs), people can read the bible until they are figuratively "blue in the face", it still does not necessarily turn them into better people. Our enlightened Western society is definitely the product of Secularism, not of reading the bible.

    Whether or not Secularism is the natural result of Christianity, though, is quite another matter. It could possibly be argued that Secularism gradually evolved in response to such disasters as the Thirty Years War (1618 - 1648), or the Spanish Inquisitions; with a view to keeping all future religious disputes to the verbal level? If so, it largely succeeded - whereas Jesus Christ's "Gospel of Peace" had very little effect on matters!

  • Snoochems

    Just referring to 'fundamentalism' - I'm sure the point has been made, but JW's are basically fundamentalist Christians - they take the Bible as the literal word of the creator of the universe. They put too much emphasis on some things, and less on others (e.g. blood)

    ISIS are fundamentalist Muslims. They're practising what their Prophet set out for them 1400 years ago. The clear issue with Islam is that, while Jesus's message was mostly pacifism and non-violence - turn the other cheek, forgiveness, pay back Ceasar's things to Ceasar, etc - Mohammed's example was extremely brutal and totalitarian - slavery, mass killing, raping, mutilation child molesting etc.

    So yes, JW's and ISIS members are both fundamentalists. The issue is with the fundamentals themselves.

    Frankly kind of sick of people who claim that all religions are equal.

  • Snoochems

    Ah, I just got to the inevitable part of any discussion on the topic of Islam where "THE CRUSADES" is mentioned to somehow justify what Islam is putting the world through in the 21st century.

    I guess this just comes about by people's belief that all religions are created equal, and that all doctrines produce the same result. This myth is so dumb, it's almost embarrassing that it has to be explained to people that are old enough to use a web browser.

    For one the Crusades are getting close to 1000 years ago - you're also ignoring the fact that many people at that time were illiterate and unable to even read the Bible. You're also ignoring the fact Islamic aggression was one of the reasons FOR the crusades. And frankly, thank Allah that the Crusades were successful in this regard. If you think to live under a Christian theocracy is equally as bad as it would be under an Islamic theocracy, you clearly haven't done your homework on either religion.

  • jp1692
    Snoochems: I just got to the inevitable part of any discussion on the topic of Islam where "THE CRUSADES" is mentioned to somehow justify what Islam is putting the world through in the 21st century.

    Who is trying to justify acts of terrorism committed by fundamentalist Muslims?

  • jp1692
    Snoochems: this just comes about by people's belief that all religions are created equal

    Who believes that? I personally don't know anyone that believes that.

    Who is the "you" that you are addressing/referring to you your posts Snoochems?

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    As Reza Aslan says, "cult + time = Religion".

    And remember, not all 'cults' are of a religious nature, and not all 'cults' are bad.


Share this