ALERT--ALERT--Randys Got Watchtower On Tape--Backing Bush! Money Laundering

by Voyager 28 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • mouthy

    NO WAY Hosa!!! I aint gonna flame you!!! Love you to much.. Keep it coming, I think the guy from the WT did think it a nut ....$5.00 bucks. Hope your well love ((((Randy big Hug))) Grace

  • Robdar

    This is truely all we need, people trashing Free Minds.

    You better back off boogaboo, nobody is trashing Free Minds here.

    The issue is that you are claiming to have proof of the WTS laundering money. This is a very serious claim and a very serious crime. Let me reprint the meaning of money laundering:

    Money laundering occurs when illegal income is made to appear as if it came from a legitimate source in order to avoid suspicion from the government. By using money laundering criminals are able to create a front for their illegal activities. Criminals want to move the money so that investigators cannot follow it and trace it back to illegal acts.

    You do not present evidence to support your claim.

    Why don't you wait for events to unfold and allow us to see the evidence before you get all worked up or you start accusing members of this forum of trashing Free Minds?

    Thanks so much.


  • BluesBrother

    Sadly , I may not use audio right now so I have not heard it yet . I just wonder though if it had any co relation to info on another thread "Is the WT still an NGO?"

    That had the news in a post ,new to me that the WT is listed as a contact on the website of an Armenian political group.. It also had an e mail link to the WTBTS , (London I that) so I did .

  • be wise
    be wise

    I'd like to make an apology to Randy for being too hasty in the things I said in this thread. I wasn't too wise as to the people involved in freeminds [namely, Randy] but I am now after checking the website out in more detail. Sorry again, I wouldn't have been so trivial with my comments.

    I think the reason why you got the reaction you did promoting Randy's tape was because you built it up so much, got us thinking that their was undeniable proof of such activities, got our hopes that this organisation could fall and people could be freed of the lies and see the truth even through the cloud that they are lost in. Not to be, I suppose.

  • mustang

    "I’m afraid that this type of promotion (whether the claims are true or not) will more probably make it look like exJWs are so desparate that they will grasp at conspiracy theories and other "straws." Gamaliel"

    Quite so!!! Responsibility is called for here. Of course, disagreeing with the "rush to judgment" crowd usually gets one branded as a "JW apologist". Sorry to disappoint that crowd. It is more important not to have to become a "‘POSTATE APOLOGIST".

    And as has been shown in the recent war, "first reports" are frequently in error. This site, by rights, probably has a higher per-capita density of critics than any other site on the Web. The "town-crier" for questionable reporting can only expect to be "stoned".


  • Dogpatch

    I'm fine folks, no need for apology. But the poor guy who sent the tape was understandably hurt by the comments and won't be back for awhile, if ever. . I've got a thick skin after all these years, but sometimes newer ones are really hurt and take things personally. Please think twice before you say something unkind, that's all I suggest. :-))

    I feel bad that I didn't have the time to put up the rest of his information as yet. He and I had the background info, you guys did not. It is part of the larger picture of the WT's ten-year old voyeurism into politics and public opinion, a distinct compromise from years gone by, as us old-timers know all too well. There is enough evidence to show that along with the WT's involvment in the United Nations, their "duties" as an NGO go so far as to joining the Armenian National Committee and promoting what is really a form of interfaith efforts as well as public support of nationalistic programs, and receiving money for such efforts. While newer ones may think there is nothing wrong with that (and they are right), it is a BOLD DEPARTURE from attitudes in years gone by, attitides that are still reflected in their literature. Thus, they are being hypocritical. Here's one for starters:

    For example,

    What You Can Do

    Contact the Holocaust Memorial Day organizers, members of the Steering Committee, and others involved in the planning of this commemoration.

    A sample letter that you can "cut and paste" is provided below, though it would be more appropriate and have more impact if you write your own letter. If you prefer to communicate by telephone, a sample phone script is provided.

    (Send a note to [email protected] to tell us what actions you have taken and to inform us of any responses that you
    have received.)

    List of Organizations to Contact

    1) The official website for UK's Holocaust Memorial Day is:

    Please visit this site and send a letter to the organizers of this commemoration.

    2) Contact the official government departments involved in this issue:

    -- Race Equality Unit
    Home Office,
    50 Queen Anne's Gate
    London SW1H 9AT
    [email protected]

    -- Department for Education and Employment
    Sanctuary Buildings
    Great Smith Street
    London SW1P 3BT

    -- Department for Culture, Media and Sport
    2-4 Cockspur St
    London SW1Y 5DH

    -- Foreign and Commonwealth Office
    Post-Holocaust Issues
    King Charles St
    London SW1A 2AH

    -- Inner Cities Religious Council (ICRC)
    Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions
    4/K10 Eland House
    Bressenden Place
    London SW1E 5DU
    Tel: (020) 7944 3704
    Fax: (020) 7944 3709
    Email: [email protected]

    2) Contact the following non-governmental organizations involved
    in this issue:

    -- Aegis Genocide Prevention Initiative
    The Aegis Trust
    PO Box 2002
    Newark, Notts. NG22 9ZG
    Tel: 01623 836978
    Fax: 01623 862950
    Email: [email protected]

    -- Amnesty International
    99-119 Rosebery Avenue
    London, EC1R 4RE
    Tel: 020 7814 6200
    Fax: 020 7833 1510
    Email: [email protected]

    -- Anne Frank Educational Trust UK
    PO Box 11880, London N6 4LN
    Tel: 020 8340 9077
    Fax: 020 8340 9088
    Email: [email protected]

    -- Beth Shalom Holocaust Centre
    Laxton, Newark Notts, NG22 0PA
    Tel: 01623 836627
    Fax: 01623 836647
    Email: [email protected]

    -- Board of Deputies of British Jews - Education Department
    Education Officer
    Commonwealth House
    1-19 New Oxford Street
    London, WC1A 1NU
    Tel: 020 7543 5400
    Fax: 020 7543 0010

    -- The Commission for Racial Equality
    Elliot House, 10-12 Allington Street
    London, SW1E 5EH
    Tel: 020 7828 7022
    Fax: 020 7630 7605
    Email: [email protected]

    -- The Council of Christians and Jews
    5th Floor, 87 Albert Embankment
    London, SE1 7PP
    Tel: 020 7388
    Fax: 020 7388 3305
    Email: [email protected]

    -- The Disability Rights Commission
    DRC Helpline
    Freepost, MID 02164
    Stratford-Upon-Avon, CV37 9BR
    Tel: 08457 622633
    Fax: 08457 622611
    Email: [email protected]

    -- Equal Opportunities Commission
    Overseas House,
    Quay Street, Manchester
    Tel: 0161 833 9244

    -- The Holocaust Educational Trust
    BCM Box 7892, London, WC1N 3XX
    Tel: 020 7222 6822
    Fax: 020 7233 0161
    Email: [email protected]

    -- Human Rights Watch
    33 Islington High Street
    London, N1 9LH
    Tel: 020 7713 1995
    Fax: 020 7713 1800

    -- The Imperial War Museum
    Lambeth Road
    London, SE1 6HZ
    Tel: 020 7416 5313/5444
    Fax: 020 7416 5440
    Email: [email protected]

    -- Institute of Contemporary History and Wiener Library
    4 Devonshire Street
    London, W1N 2BH
    Tel: 020 7636 7247
    Fax: 020 7436 6428
    Email: [email protected]

    -- Inter Faith Network
    5-7 Taverstock Place
    London WC1H 9SN
    Tel. (020) 7388 0008
    Fax. (020) 7387 7968
    E-mail: [email protected]

    -- Jehovah's Witnesses
    Public Affairs Office
    Watch Tower House
    The Ridgeway
    London NW7 1RN
    Tel: 020 8906 2211
    Fax: 020 8371 0051
    E-mail: [email protected]

    -- London Jewish Cultural Centre
    The Old House, c/o Kings College
    Kidderpore Avenue
    London, NW3 7SZ
    Tel: 020 7431 0345
    Fax: 020 7431 0361
    Email: [email protected]

    -- London Jewish Museum
    80 East End Road
    London N3 2SY
    Tel: 020 8349 1143
    Fax: 020 8343 2162

    -- Manchester Jewish Museum
    190 Cheetham Hill Road
    Manchester, M8 8LW
    Tel: 0161 834 9879
    Fax: 0161 832 7353

    National Union of Students
    461 Holloway Road
    London, N7
    Tel: 020 7272 8900

    -- Parkes Institute for the Study
    of Jewish/non-Jewish Relations
    University of Southampton
    C/o Department of History
    University of Southampton
    Highfield, Southampton, SO19 1BJ
    Tel: 023 8059 2261
    Fax: 023 8059 3458
    Email: [email protected]

    -- The Pink Triangle Coalition
    Tel: 020 7706 3123
    Email: [email protected]

    -- The Refugee Council
    3 Bondway
    London, Sw8 1SJ
    Tel: 020 7820 3085
    Email: [email protected]

    -- Simon Wiesenthal Center - Museum of Tolerance
    9760 West Pico Boulevard
    Los Angeles, CA 90035-4792
    Tel: 310 553 9036
    Fax: 310 772 7655
    Email: [email protected]

    -- Stonewall
    46 Grovesnor Gardens
    London, SE1
    Tel: 020 7881 9440

    -- Survivors of the Shoah Visual History Foundation
    UK liason: 020-7483-3981
    U.S. office: 001-818-7802
    P.O. Box 3168,
    Los Angeles, CA, 90078-3168

    -- Union of Jewish Students
    1-2 Endsleigh Street
    London, WC1H 0DS
    Tel: 020 7387 4644
    Fax: 020 7383 0390

    -- United Nations High Commission for Refugees - UNHCR

    -- United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
    Education Resource Centre, USHMM
    100 Raoul Wallenberg Place, SW
    Washington, DC 20024-2156
    Email: [email protected]

    -- The Wiener Library
    4 Devonshire Street
    London W1W 5BH
    Tel: (020) 7636 7247
    Fax: (020) 7436 6428
    Email: [email protected]

    -- Yad Vashem Committee, UK
    (Board of Deputies of British Jews)
    Commonwealth House
    1-19 New Oxford Street
    London, WC1A 1NF
    Tel: 020 7543 5400
    Fax: 020 7543 0010

    -- Yad Vashem, Israel
    Education Office
    PO Box 3477, Jerusalem 91034
    Tel: 972 2 644 3400
    Fax: 972 2 643 3511

    Sample Letter

    Dear Sir/Madam:

    I am writing to express my profound disappointment with the exclusion of any mention of the Armenian Genocide from the upcoming Holocaust Memorial Day program on January 27th.

    While I fully support this worthwhile commemoration, I am extremely troubled that the Turkish government has been allowed to pressure our government into compromising on this fundamental human rights issue.

    The absence of discussion on the Armenian Genocide is particularly troubling given that the Steering Group's Statement of Commitment specifically notes that its mission is to "promote education and research about the Holocaust and other genocide... to make sure that the lessons of such events are fully learnt."

    It is my understanding that the reasons cited by the Home Office for excluding mention of the Armenian Genocide were that such mention would somehow detract from the "contemporary relevance" of the commemoration and risk diluting its message by including "too much history." I respectfully disagree. In fact, exactly the opposite is true.

    No discussion of genocide can be considered complete without appropriate consideration of the Armenian Genocide. The Holocaust Day memorial programs should include a careful examination of the implications of the Armenian Genocide for the systematic massacres which followed - including the genocide of European Jews, Gypsies, and Poles by Nazi Germany, and those that followed in Cambodia, Rwanda, and elsewhere.

    The inclusion of Armenian Genocide is all the more important given the Turkish government's ongoing campaign to deny this crime against humanity. It is the responsibility of all of us who share a commitment to human rights to reject this shameful campaign and to resist any politically motivated efforts to deny or cover up genocide, past or present.

    In recent weeks, we have seen the European Parliament, French Senate, and Italian Parliament all adopt Armenian Genocide resolutions Pope John Paul II, on November 9th, issued a powerful statement on the Genocide of the Armenians. The consideration of the Armenian Genocide, rather than including "too much history," would help illuminate the patterns and precedents of genocide in the 20th century.

    I respectfully call upon you to take immediate steps to formally protest the exclusion of the Armenian Genocide from Holocaust Memorial Day.

    Sincerely yours,


  • reporter

    Interesting tape but all heresay and not enough evidence to link the Watchtower with any political ties.


    Not in an of itself...but we are all aware of how the WTS hypocritically dabbles in political action groups and interfaith initiatives, and NGO-type groups, when it suits them. I'm sure our resident hawkaw as well as Randy and others will be filling us in with details and supporting evidence quite shortly. The precedents have already been proven, so I'll give any of this research more weight than not, and I don't need it to convince me of what is really going on with the WTS. This cult hurts people, and it hurts families, plain and simple.

    My personal opinion is that there are some Zionist-type influences, and right-wing fundy Bush-crime-family-type hyper-religionists are right up the WTS's alley, and are in bed with and share many of the WTS's goals, and behave quite the same way. I can't prove that, but I'll bet you a timbit and a coffee that at least a grain of this is the case. Following the money trail, of course, is going to lead to more evidence of the UN-NGO calibre. After all, the Russell family bloodline founded the Yale's skull and bones society, and these roots are related to Freemasonry, and there can't be anything good coming out of that. That's just one opinion, though, and I'm always considering other suggestions...

    Just the simple admission that they are doing ANY WORLDLY ORGANIZATIONAL LECTURING in support of any group's objectives is hypocritical in and of itself, considering what they are teaching, and what they have taught, through the pages of their litterature.

  • Vitameatavegamin

    I have to agree that I did not hear any real admissions from the WT, but they did not deny anything either. Although I would say the situation is definintely fishy, the guy recording the phone call seemed to be a little too confident.

  • amac

    I sent an email to the WT asking if they were the spawn of Satan. They replied within an hour saying not only are they the spawn of Satan, but they are also the leaders of the Bilderberg group.

    If the fellow that recorded that tape got his feelings hurt from these responses then so be it. I've no pity for a person who makes a feeble attempt to entrap someone else and to make unfounded implications of wrong doing. The WT guy was probably trying to get off the phone as quick as possible, so as not to waste his time over some nutty guy with a $5 donation. And when he tried to entrap him with saying it was for military, political, etc, etc, the Wt fellow simply corrected him saying it was received for the Holocaust fund...groan!

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