Iraqi expatriates return to battle U.S.

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Realist

borg,
The lack of food and medicine was in no way the fault of the US or even the UN.
nonsense! the US has blocked imports of nearly all mdeical supplies with the paltry excuse that components of the drugs could be used to produce WMD!
iraq did not have the means to buy any food supplies for several years which caused hundreds of thousands of children and eldrely to die. ask madleine albright!
and you guys expect the iraqis to welcome US troops after what the US did to them??? you guys need to make a reality check!
borgfree

Realist,
nonsense! the US has blocked imports of nearly all mdeical supplies with the paltry excuse that components of the drugs could be used to produce WMD!

You offer no proof of that statement, but I am sure you could find quotes to back it up. I am sure that I could also find quotes to counter your quotes, so it would be like playing bible ping-pong with the JWs.
Instead, maybe we could just look at reality. Saddam has been exporting more oil out of Iraq than was permissible by the cease fire treaty, with the cooperation of other countries.
Saddam has been buying weapons from cooperating countries in violation of the cease fire treaty, such as the 150 or more (known) missiles, night vision equipment, and I am sure much more that we will find out about.
Saddam has been supporting and expanding his military, at great expense, (he was ordered to disarm, by the UN.)
The illegal weapons were smuggled in somehow. WHY could Saddam not smuggle in FOOD, MEDICINE?
The US blocked medical supplies? WHY? How would you make WMDs out of penicillin,? Or other drugs that would help the Iraqi’s? If Saddam were trying to import "special drugs" that could be made into weapons of mass destruction, then, why wouldn’t the US block them? I am sure there is a great supply of drugs that would serve the Iraqi’s needs without resorting to those particular drugs that are questionable.
The oil for food program was set up by the UN when the cease fire was agreed to, there was no reason for the Iraqi’s to ever do without necessary food or medicine.
ask madleine albright!

I wouldn’t ask Madeline Albright what time it is if she were wearing a Rolex and standing in front of Big Ben.
and you guys expect the iraqis to welcome US troops after what the US did to them??? you guys need to make a reality check!

Time will tell.
Why is it that some people will believe anyone in the world, except Americans, or the American government? Many on the left are ready, and willing, to believe Saddam, Bin Laden, etc., but anything said by US officials is immediately questioned and not believed.
The US has made many mistakes and at times used poor judgement, but what country has done so much better?
Borgfree
Realist

borgfree,
Saddam has been exporting more oil out of Iraq than was permissible by the cease fire treaty, with the cooperation of other countries.
Saddam has been buying weapons from cooperating countries in violation of the cease fire treaty, such as the 150 or more (known) missiles, night vision equipment, and I am sure much more that we will find out about.
Saddam has been supporting and expanding his military, at great expense, (he was ordered to disarm, by the UN.)
expanded his military at great expense? where do you get this from? where is this greatly expanded military now? the al samud missiles were not imported and it is very questionable whether they violate the agreement in the first place. who says the night vision equipment is in violation of the treaty?
The illegal weapons were smuggled in somehow. WHY could Saddam not smuggle in FOOD, MEDICINE?
why would saddam care if the embargo is actually helping him?
about the effects of the embargo...this is from UN meetings:
Press Release HR/CN/829 26 March 1998
KAREN PARKER, of International Education Development (IED), said he wished to draw the attention of the Commission to the General Comment of the Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights on the issue of economic sanctions, announced by the Committee on 5 December 1997. The Comment pointed out that insufficient attention was paid to the impact of economic sanctions on human rights, especially the rights of vulnerable groups. IDE fully supported the recommendations in the comment, especially the Committee's view that the imposition of sanctions raised obligations on the imposing party or parties to monitor the impact of such measures in order to insure the full rights of all vulnerable groups. IED considered the sanctions imposed on Iraq violated the economic, social and cultural rights as well as the civil and political rights of the Iraqi civilian population, especially the right to development. Conservative estimates had shown that more than one million children had died as a direct result of sanctions imposed on Iraq.
MALIK OZDEN, of Centre Europe-Tiers Monde, speaking also on behalf of the World Federation of Democratic Youth, said the economic embargo imposed against Iraq was insensitive and inexcusable, whatever the nature of the Iraqi Government. Hundreds of thousands were dying or suffering scars that would last the rest of their lives; it was unacceptable to cause such damage to innocent people; what the Security Council was doing with this embargo was no different than a man sitting in a chair and shooting off a rifle repeatedly, killing or wounding innocent people sitting outside the walls. Were the countries in favour of the embargo not possessors of weapons of mass destruction themselves of the same sort they sought to remove from Iraq? The embargo imposed upon Cuba by the arrogant will of the United States was unjustified and unjustifiable; it not only inflicted the embargo itself but forced the rest of the world to comply; such violations of human rights could not be excused in the name of international measures of coercion, even if supposedly they were in keeping with international law.
RENEE BRIDEL, of International Association of Democratic Lawyers, said the continuation of the embargo imposed against the Iraqi people led to negative and grave consequences for Iraqi women and children in particular; the embargo had only increased the rate of infant mortality and reduced the life expectancy of aged persons. Her group demanded the lifting of the inhuman embargo and appealed to the international community to restore justice to the Iraqi people. The embargo, in effect for the past seven years, was the result of United States and United Kingdom interference in the internal affairs of Iraq. The Association reaffirmed its support for the defence of the sovereignty and unity of Iraq, and its territorial integrity. Also, the group demanded the withdrawal of the United States naval fleets from the Persian Gulf.
borgfree

Realist,
Do I understand what you are saying, correctly?
After suffering a hugh blow to his military forces and equipment during the last gulf war, Saddam left everything as is, he did not bother to replace his troops and/or equipment?
where is this greatly expanded military now?
Have you been watching the news programs. How about all of the reports about the "well trained, "fierce fighting" Republican Guard with several divisions around Baghdad, and in Basrah and other cities?
the al samud missiles were not imported and it is very questionable whether they violate the agreement in the first place
Are you saying that Saddam broke NO cease fire agreements with the UN?
If the missiles were manufactured in Iraq, the engines were still smuggled into Iraq. Remember, his agreement was to disarm.
The missiles questionable? to whom? The experts sent in with the ~~clowns~~ inspectors agreed they violated the agreements and ordered them destroyed.
who says the night vision equipment is in violation of the treaty?
If night vision equipment, is considered military equipment, then I think the order for him to disarm would cover such advanced items.
why would saddam care if the embargo is actually helping him?
On the one hand you say the lack of food and medicine is the fault of the UN or rather, the US, then on the other hand you admit Saddam couldn't care less about getting those needs for his own people.
I won't bother to argue with the statements from some of the members of the UN. It is very obvious to many people, that the UN has become a power for third world countries to attempt to control and maybe even overthrow the US. Some of the treaties proposed there, thankfully not signed by the US, were designed to control only the US, they had little or no effect on most of the member countries.
Borgfree
Realist

borgfree,
the cease fire agreement demanded the destruction of all WMD and long range missiles.
al samud rockets can fly further than the allowed 150 km BUT only if not equipped with a warhead. since nobody shoots empty rockets it is very questionable whether these rockets violate the agreement.
he had the republican guard already prior to the first gulf war. they did not fight in 1991.
Are you saying that Saddam broke NO cease fire agreements with the UN?
like?
If the missiles were manufactured in Iraq, the engines were still smuggled into Iraq. Remember, his agreement was to disarm.
sorry both parts of your statement are not true.
If night vision equipment, is considered military equipment, then I think the order for him to disarm would cover such advanced items.
there is no order to disarm.
On the one hand you say the lack of food and medicine is the fault of the UN or rather, the US, then on the other hand you admit Saddam couldn't care less about getting those needs for his own people.
what makes you think i believe saddam is an honorable philanthrope? what does one thing have to do with the other? there are bastards on both sides...that's the sad reality.
i almost forgot:
the UN is the tool of the 3rd world? aimed to bring the US to fall? i am afraid you live in a world seriously distorted by the US mass media.
Valis

WHY could Saddam not smuggle in FOOD, MEDICINE?

Because he was busy building presidential palaces for himself and his thug family?
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
hillary_step

If the missiles were manufactured in Iraq, the engines were still smuggled into Iraq. Remember, his agreement was to disarm.

His agreement was to disarm certain types of weapons, not all his weapons. Iraq claims that they complied with UN resolutions and hold no weapons of mass destruction. As of today's date no such weapons have been discovered. A total disarmament was never a UN or US plan before or after the Gulf War and a total disarmament will not happen after this war. Under International Law every nation has the right to carry arms to defend its borders, the primary reasons for the existence of armies.
When the Gulf War ended Saddam used the Republican Guards and what weaponry he had left to put down an uprising in Basra which had resulted from President Bush Senior encouraging the people to 'rise up'. Over 200,000 people died because of the stupidity of those miscalculated statements, now acknowledged by the White House to have been a 'misunderstanding' and a 'sad mistake'. It would be honorable for those who look to the dying children in Iraq under the Saddam regime to also acknowledge that the White House and the Pentagon were directly responsible for these deaths.
HS
Realist

THANK YOU HILLARY!
William Penwell

who says the night vision equipment is in violation of the treaty?

Yes we can't allow the Iraqi's to have a fair fight here can we.
Will

Iraqi expatriates return to battle U.S.

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