A deeper examination of The New World Translation

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  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    It is likely that few with a JW background would know that Jewish culture in the time Jesus lived was thoroughly affected by Greek/Hellenic culture and Ideas. So here's a link (and an extract from a recent article by the study grou that calls itself the Biblical Archaeology Society.

    A recent article discussed this topic:

    From ancient Greece to ancient Judea: The Hellenization of Jewish culture

    Let BAS show you how Greek culture influenced the people and worship of Jesus’ time

    How and why and to what extent Greek culture was absorbed into the ancient Jewish world is not always clear, but that it was is undeniable. From the time of Alexander the Great in the fourth century B.C.E., Jews lived in a world in which Greek culture carried a certain prestige and offered a route to political influence.

    Hellenistic and Roman-era art from the Biblical world shines a spotlight on Judean identity and cultural influences during a formative period in the region’s history. From Hercules as trendy Israeli bathhouse décor to mosaics celebrating Helios, the sun god, in ancient synagogues, Greek culture permeated Judea.

    It is even thought by some scholars that Jews in ancient times considered Helios a minor deity to whom they could offer prayers!

    Scholars are now weaving together evidence from archaeological sites and early Christian texts. Notes Lucille A. Roussin,

    A connection between the Jewish worship of angels and astrology is attested by many early Christian writers. According to the Preachings of Peter, referred to by Clement of Alexandria, the Jews, “thinking that they only know God, do not know him, adoring as they do angels and archangels, the months and the moon

    Origen writes in Contra Celsius that "what is astonishing about the Jews is that they adore the sky and the angels that inhabit it.”

    Cultures collide, and then combine

    Unsurprisingly, while there is ample evidence of the influence of Greek culture on Jewish culture, there was also resistance, at least for a while. Human nature explains the desire of the Jewish elite to seek power and status by adopting elements of the dominant culture. And piety explains the blowback from some Jews, such as Judas Maccabee, who, of course, revolted against Hellenized Jewish rulers and purified their “defiled” Temple in an act that is still celebrated in the Jewish festival of Hanukkah.

    Yet as Professor Martin Goodman notes, “Outside of Jerusalem and Judea, Jews rarely treated Greek culture as a threat to their Judaism.” The lovely zodiac mosaic floors of Palestinian synagogues of the fourth to sixth centuries C.E., so similar to those at pagan sites, attest to that.

    This artistic expression tells us that Jews had simply adopted those Hellenistic features that complemented their own worship, including Hebrew labels on the zodiac signs, and—according to some scholars—used images of the Greek sun god Helios to represent Yahweh, who has no form and cannot be represented in art, but is described in Jewish texts from Biblical times as fiery like the sun.

    Because the centuries immediately surrounding Jesus’ birth were such a formative period in Judean history, studying the Hellenization of Jewish and early Christian culture during this period is crucial in understanding Biblical history.

    And all of it is revealed in the art and architecture examined in a very special collection of articles from the Biblical Archaeology Society, Ancient Art of the Biblical World.

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    Interpretation ends with opinion..... that is no way for a deity to make a life and death spiritual contract with it's creation.

    Don't waste your life debating the interpretation of scrolls written by a wandering ancient tribe of farmers.

    Maybe learn to juggle?

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    full time student back to James, In WW2 he was captured on Crete by the German army and imprisoned in a concentration camp. During the early period of imprisonment he became an atheist. He later escaped and lived in the hills for a few years until rescued from the island by a British submarine,

    Whoa!!!! I’ve read some stuff about these guys. He must have been one resourceful, tough dude! All Australasian, these guys did some pretty amazing things during WW2. There were quite a few New Zealander’s parachuted in and chosen for their ability to blend in apparently these were soldiers who spoke Greek....but get this, it was koine Greek or Ancient Greek which led to quite some hilarity amongst the locals.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Diogenesister Quote: "...There were quite a few New Zealander’s parachuted in and chosen for their ability to blend in apparently these were soldiers who spoke Greek."

    To clarify.

    Your reference must have been some other group. I am unlikely to know everything about H.F.James, but he may have told me that he was a gunner in the A.I.F (Aust. Infantry Forces) and was part of an Australian force sent to Crete early in WW2. When the German army invaded they overwhelmed the Australians. James was captured and assigned by the German army to a burial detail. While doing this work he claimed that he became an atheist. They had to go through the belongings of the dead and he said you would see the same things - photo's of their family, religious trinkets etc, no matter which army they belonged to. How could a loving god allow all this he claimed to have reasoned.

    He escaped the German camp and lived in the hills. Often hungry, as there was little food available. He learnt to speak the local Greek so as to beg for food,

    He was able to escape Crete on a British submarine ( likely part of the group you spoke of- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ill_Met_by_Moonlight 0 ). He arrived back in Australia with a bad case of PTSD, and some years later became a JW.

  • Crazyguy2
    Crazyguy2

    Who cares which translation of the Bible is more accurate it’s still full of contradictions, unfulfilled prophecies, mathematical and scientific errors not to mention it states the earth is flat in over 65 verses.

  • jhine
    jhine

    Not so much has been said about the WT's insertion of words not in the original , to change the meaning of the text .

    As in putting Jehovah into the text in numerous places when there is no evidence that it was in the original writings .

    Or inserting the word " other " into " Col 1: 15-17 to change the meaning .

    Jan

  • jhine
    jhine

    Scholar , any thoughts ?

    Jan

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    jhine, both of these topics have been discussed ad nauseam on this forum and a brief search would locate multiple threads if you are interested. While I make no scholarly claim, it just takes common sense to answer them.

    In A Greek Grammar of the New Testament, Blass & Debrunner, 1961 wrote (p.160) “ἄλλος [állos] is sometimes omitted where we would add ‘other.’”

    Examples are not hard to find.

    In Luke 21:29 Jesus speaks of the fig-tree and all (panta) [other] trees. NWT, NAB and TEV include the word "other" which Jesus' audience would have understood.
    In Luke 11:42 Jesus speaks of tithing the mint and rue and every (pan) [other] herb. NWT and TEV include "other" which is what was understood.

    Including the word "other" in Colossians 1:16, 17 does not change the meaning. Or would you understand verse 16 to include Christ in all things created by means of him? Words are always added (and omitted) in translation, that is the nature of the beast.

  • TD
    TD
    Words are always added (and omitted) in translation, that is the nature of the beast.

    Yes...

    Heavily inflected languages (i.e. Ancient Greek, Latin, etc.) subsume concepts we express via prepositions and pronouns into noun cases.

    It's impossible to translate these languages into English without adding in those words.

    We can quibble over word choices, but all translators do it.


  • jhine
    jhine

    Earnest , of course it changes the meaning which is why the WT does it , to fit in with their assertion that the Pre Jesus person was Michael - a created being .

    As far as l know the WT is the only organisation to insert those words into the passage . The word "other "is not in the Greek and as far as l know ( though l will be corrected if wrong ) there is no grammatical reason to include it there .

    The WT HAS to do this otherwise the verses read " For in him ALL things were created ....... ALL things have been created through him and for him " So Jesus was not part of created things .

    This ties in with John 1 : 3 " Through him ALL things were made ; without him NOTHING was made that has been made . Again Jesus is not a member of things created .

    To say that this has to be done to make sense of the passage only make sense to the WT and their theology .

    Now l realise that most people on here couldn't give a flying fig about this but any JWs on here with doubts about the WT should take note .

    Jan

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