Watchtower August leak: details from reddit user (page 2)

Jeffro

ukpimo:

Announcement of disfellowshipping an unrepentant wrongdoer, either an apostate, child abuser or someone scheming to end their marriage will take place. There is NO mention of any need to announce disfellowshipping for other offences, unless I need to clarify this when we receive the English edition.

This claim is not at all supported by the machine-translated version of the article that has been made available. The categories of 'apostate, child abuser or someone scheming to end their marriage' are mentioned together only in reference to additional caution regarding reinstatement.

Apostates must be avoided, especially on social media and their websites. To send them messages is like sharing in their wicked works. This is a massive game changer, this really is BIG!

No, it's not. There is no change in position there.

ozziepost

Box explains the man in Corinth changed within a few months, this is the basis for the change towards disfellowshipping.

The “Box” may “explain” the WT teaching but like the song says “it ain’t necessarily so”.

Apart from what is included in the Bible canon, Paul wrote other letters to the church in Corinth, including one between the first and second to the Corinthians. There is no concrete evidence that the man referred to in 1 Corinthians is also the one referred to in 2 Corinthians.

Listener

They teach that apostates are to be hated.

Watchtower 93 10/1

When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they “feel a loathing” toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance.—Job 13:16; Romans 12:19; 2 John 9, 10.

This is their definition of an apostate from Reasoning in the Scriptures and they use the phrase many times.

Definition: Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of God, actually a rebellion against Jehovah God. Some apostates profess to know and serve God but reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovah’s organization.

This applies to anyone who leaves the organization and even applies to any JW who would be subject to their marking rules.

They often differentiate between an apostate and an active apostate but under the definition they are one and the same.

JWs have been taught to treat those who are d/fd, voluntarily left or marked in the same way so this article is going to confuse them. It appears that the August article will be telling them to view them differently.

Beth Sarim

Yes. They hate apostates.

If it weren't for the laws of the land,,,I believe jws could take it personally,, take matters into their own hands & do atrocious & evil things to apostates.

Jeffro

Beth Sarim:

If it weren't for the laws of the land,,,I believe jws could take it personally,, take matters into their own hands & do atrocious & evil things to apostates.

The Watchtower, 15 November 1952, page 703:

Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.

no-zombie

Personally, I find that new arrangement (if true) would have a number of practical problems.

Either, other disfellowshipping matters, like fornication and drug use are now NOT disfellowshipping offenses, or the each congregational member will have to be privately informed about a Brother or Sister's new status, should they be found guilty of being unrepentant.

Because if no one knew that you were disfellowshipped, you could just pretend everything was ok and associate normally.

Ron.W.

Others claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovah’s organization.

God, how I hope they eventually get legally crucified for treating those who remove themselves from their cult jw organisation with such hatred and disdain.

This poster on youtube made a good point:

'They really don’t care if you fade as long as you keep your mouth shut but when you speak out they hate you and make everyone else hate you.'

Jeffro

no-zombie:

Personally, I find that new arrangement (if true) would have a number of practical problems.
Either, other disfellowshipping matters, like fornication and drug use are now NOT disfellowshipping offenses, or the each congregational member will have to be privately informed about a Brother or Sister's new status, should they be found guilty of being unrepentant.
Because if no one knew that you were disfellowshipped, you could just pretend everything was ok and associate normally.

It’s not true. The conclusion that ‘only apostates, child abusers, or those scheming to end a marriage will be disfellowshipped’ is an erroneous misconception (or deliberate distortion).

However, there is ambiguity in the changed arrangement about greeting disfellowshipped individuals at meetings unless they’re ‘apostates’ because congregation members aren’t told the ‘reason’ for which a person was disfellowshipped.

Diogenesister

The “Box” may “explain” the WT teaching but like the song says “it ain’t necessarily so".

Watchtower man speak with forked tongue, Ozzie. You know it ; ) 🍷

Vidiot

One thing’s for certain…

… they finally clued in (or, more likely, had to have it explained 🙄) that heavy-handed sentences make a DFed JW a lot less scared to take a look at “apostate” material on the net…

…which means the longer they stay away, the less likely they are to come back.

Watchtower August leak: details from reddit user

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