So what happens next...

by Farmer Jim1 62 Replies latest jw friends

  • stan livedeath
    stan livedeath
    WT is more concerned about losing contributing members,

    how very true:

    When my late father went into a care home--he ( in effect ) changed to a different congregation area. Quite quickly--he got visits from elders in his new cong. They all knew each other.

    But he also had visits from an elder from the previous cong. Not unusual..but it agitated my dad..who was very frail and senile by then. Talking during my regular visits to my dad he said he was worried about his "obligation", and i worked out what he meant.

    He had a standing order paying his old cong £100 a month !----but as i held power of attorney i had stopped that on his behalf LoL

  • Ron.W.
    Ron.W.

    Love it Stan!👍

    My Dad's been doing the same, but ill health has stopped him.

    They only ever rang him when they wanted his report or MONEY!

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Pretty sure they’ve already lost most of the “contributing members”…

    …at this point, the tourniquet ain’t working any more.

    They’re trying to cauterize the stump. 😏

  • jehovaxx
    jehovaxx

    My father exactly the same, standing order £100 per month even though it’s a struggle.

    only pension income now but the will is give the house to the Borg

    I have heard of others contesting the will privately so the elders don’t find out but the branch has top lawyers on this sort of thing.

    I remember some stories of adult children saying their parents were brainwashed cult members and contesting the will, I would love to hear some successful accounts of them winning and the will going to family instead of the cult

  • Teddnzo
    Teddnzo

    Ron’s list with some additions:-

    if the watchtower's plan is to quietly wind the jw religion right down to JWLITE just an almost entirely online religion. The yoke is very comfortable with almost zero load.

    1.The first step, sell as many kingdom halls as possible leaving a skeleton selection of halls that lots and lots of congregations share. Some having to travel a long way. But it’s ok mostly zoom meetings just try to get to in person a few times per year.

    2. Get as many donations on a regular basis from the remaining kingdom halls publishers.

    3.Decrease the regular and auxiliary pioneer hour requirement even more.

    4.Reduce the circuit overseers visit to just a couple of days. Wednesday first ministry group, one midweek meeting and a nice easy weekend.

    5.Get rid of district overseers completely.

    6.Lay off as many at bethel worldwide as possible. Send them back to the field and wash their hands of them, ask members of congregations to look after them.

    7.Reduce the meetings to mainly just watching prepared videos. No preparation needed to take any item.

    8.Remove the requirement to count time and submit a monthly report.

    9.Allow brothers to have a beard.

    10.Cart witnessing and informal park and public place witnessing replaces door to door work. Door to door is only done very seldom for ten mins at a time.

    11.Electronic books and magazines and the jw website heavily promoted.

    12.Stop printing the wt and awake and release just a few copies a year - or rehash older copies for the public.

    13. New light on shunning and disfellowshipping. If person may feel suicidal then don’t have JD, meaning hardly anyone is ever needed to be shunned ever again, Elders ask each other could this make them feel suicidal? Better to be on safe side don’t disfellowship anymore.

    14. Last minute placing your bets is fine. You can wait to see if their horse comes in or not, then place your bets after. So you can’t lose. If what JWs says starts to happen you can place your bets after, until then place your bets that JWs are wrong. This new lite at 2023AGM changes everything.

    Link-ALL IF THE ABOVE HAVE HAPPENED, these next ones are speculation-

    15. The big one new light on 1914. “We can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”

    maybe Michael was not Jesus, we just don’t know. Maybe the battle in heaven did not happen in 1914 we just don’t know.

    isn’t it wonderful how Jehovah reveals new light just at the proper time.

    16. New light on birthdays as long as nobody get their head chopped off it’s a matter of personal choice. ( So many have been celebrating birthdays anyway the GB lost control of that one)

    18. So many have been going for advanced education the GB lost control so released in update saying while we have warned about the dangers of high education we have never made rules against it. We have never said Elders who have children in higher education should come off. (They try to delete the video where they showed exactly that but it’s out there on the internet and they can never claim they did not say that)

    19. New lite on who qualifies as an elder as they are desperately short. Even teenagers can be MS or elder if they meet the lighter requirements which as about the same as being a publisher previously

    20. Tony Morris gives a deathbed confession which breaks his NDA but it gets leaked anyway. He talks about how Jarez, Chitty and Greenlees were all GB members who were involved in CSA. This is why the secret database can’t ever come out because three GB names are on it. Along with many other top dogs who weren’t GB but we involved in participating and involved in the cover ups. He is now very sorry he covered for these Pedo’s, he wants to apologise to Selena Vertalomo and her sister and all the other victims!


  • Elena
    Elena
    • The model requiring constant growth is now in danger, this organisation was constantly growing in every way for over a century and seems to have peaked. For the last decade or more that constant reductions in staff and product output, liquidation of assets, legal troubles, and dwindling sources of income.

      I can’t find the true global numbers of pioneers, publishers ect, but I would love to see some charts showing the last 100yesrs. I suspect they would show a peak and now way over the peak and now big decline.

      I would love to see charts of Bethel family numbers last 100 years, they would show a peak spike up then rapid decline like the bubble popped. This is going to be similar with the organisation as a whole,

      Even with reduced hours there are less pioneers. Japan is holding up the numbers because almost everyone pioneers.

      Going forward not so many younger ones will be getting baptised and hardly any will be pioneering compared to before the peak. This is why they are trying to hide the numbers

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    I'm kind of late to this topic, but I thought that when the DO's were cut that there would be some kind of downsizing of CO's. The problem though might be that the CO's are now the "Company Men" for the Borg. The CO is who audits the BOOK$ and handling of the FUND$ in behalf of WT. They also inspect the condition of the KHall to see that WT's investment is being maintained in top shape.

    Currently, CO's make two visits each year to each Cong. So, I think they could cut the CO's by 50% by only having ONE visit per year by the actual CO, and have a sub-CO (or a CO-wanna-be) from the circuit (or better yet, a nearby circuit) to do the other visit. Congs would still pick up the expenses of the sub-CO, but WT would not have to provide healthcare to the CO & COW (big issue in the USA). With this in place, a CO could now cover twice the number of Congs.

    Remember, you heard it here first!

  • Mikejw
    Mikejw

    Sub COs are all the rage these days, they get credited hours for their pioneering but still have to have jobs and pay for their own housing cars ect. So more free labour for WTower. I can see them pushing all these sub COs more and more as it costs nothing unlike full COs which need a accommodation and cars being paid for.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    I can understand all that has been said,and the reasons fro the Org's moves, but all they have in reality is a Cash Flow problem, they are still quite Asset Rich, the Cash Flow problem I cannot see them solving,unless they bring in Tithing.

  • NotFormer
    NotFormer

    Elena: "I can’t find the true global numbers of pioneers, publishers ect, but I would love to see some charts showing the last 100yesrs. I suspect they would show a peak and now way over the peak and now big decline."

    Would they be honest enough to publish the decline? The graph moving forward might show a plateau from the point at which an honest graph would show a decline.

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