What to do if you’re a billionaire religion and a city of your brothers are trapped by a landslide and starving....

by Diogenesister 19 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Drearyweather

    Hi Diogenesister,

    Sorry, I have to play the devil’s advocate here.

    Myanmar, India and other neighbouring countries come under the same disaster committee operations of the Watchtower. I was not in Myanmar, but I was in Kerala, India, during the 2018 floods that devastated the entire state, the worst in a century.

    Let me clear a few things what you have written. To put things in perspective, Myanmar is worse than India.

    Watchtowers solution? Fly in a helicopter of medics and engineers? Pay for Red Adare to blast a path through the mud? Not quite......

    During the floods here in India, the air space was completely closed for air travel for 2 weeks. Only government owned relief supplies and medics could enter the disaster area through air space. The India branch of the WT had to send supplies to the government, who then flew it to the disaster area. As expected, very few of the supplies reached the destination due to corruption in between.

    Its solution to this unfolding tragedy was to “make a phone call” to the local “disaster committee,” AKA the local body of elders in the next city, and ask them to go “check” on the congregations affected.

    In countries over here, the entire roadway and the air space is closed down due to landslides and mudslides. Internet connections are gutted down. Leave the WT, even the Prime Minister of the country can only use phone lines to give directions.

    It was the *local people that put together the food, water and (I imagine, pretty basic) medicine, not Watchtower, It’s local JW funds.

    Not true. It is practically impossible for poor local JW’s to come up with tons of food supplies. Even the most basic supplies are sent by the DRC’s operating in the area. Due to thugs and looting, local JW’s are advised not to venture out to the disaster area with supplies.

    In countries here in Asia, due to the sorry nature of communication and transport, the WT has set up disaster committees made up of 5 full-time bethelites that live in the area and work remotely for the branch. Each committee has been given enough funds to use when necessary.

    The major chunk of the supplies comes from these Disaster committees that get the funds from the WT well in advance before the disasters. In fact, during the 2018 floods in India, a letter was issued to all congregations not to collect and sends any food supplies to the affected areas due to looting and corruption.

    Not sure about the western and the European world, but WT’s response to the disasters here in India, Myanmar and other Asian countries is pretty good considering the type of countries these are.

    Been there, seen there.

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    Drearyweather... you do have a tendency of coming to the defense of Watchtower whenever someone here posts a legitimate dreary or dismal comment regarding this cult. For example:

    ...but WT’s response to the disasters here in India, Myanmar and other Asian countries is pretty good considering the type of countries these are.
    Been there, seen there.

    Your constantly coming to the rescue of this cult when valid and correct topics are posted about WT's shady/questionable deeds, practices and teachings reminds me of the actor Jack Nicholson's famous line in the movie 'A Few Good Men': 'YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!'

    Face it Drearyweather you serve a dangerous, harmful, cruel, selfish and stingy Bitch ...The Watchtower!

  • smiddy3

    There is never any mention of how much money $$$$ or aid $$$$$ value that the WT/JW religion is supposedly sending to any country in need is there.?

    I don`t ever recall ever seeing any except when it has been given solely to practising JW`s and /or interested parties like family members of JW`s who could be bought.

  • Drearyweather


    Thank you for your concern.


    Rather than throwing punchlines, point out the fallacy in my comment and let's discuss those.

  • Listener

    Drearyweather, where specifically did the money come from to help the Brothers out in India?

  • blondie

    Good question, Listener. The way it works is that individuals donate money through the congregation to either the generic Worldwide Work, or if the WTS sets up a separate fund at the congregation level, to that.

    There is no info provided from the WTS as how that money is spent regarding disasters, etc. The publishers must depend on the WTS to put the money to the most pressing or necessary expense.

    In fact, jws are discouraged from sending money to that branch office (or clothing, food, meds, etc) but rather let the WTS coordinate it. Either way the WTS retains control of the money and there is no report or accounting for how the money is spent.



    What is the best way to make contributions for the benefit of needy brothers in other lands?

    At times, we hear about brothers in another land who have come into material need because of persecution, disaster, or other difficult circumstances. Some brothers have been moved to send funds directly to the branch offices in such lands, requesting that the money be used to help a certain individual, a particular congregation, or a designated building project.​—2 Cor. 8:1-4.

    While such loving concern for fellow believers is commendable, often there are needs that are more urgent than those that the contributor has in mind. In some cases, the designated need has already been cared for. Of course, we can be confident that when contributions are sent to the local branch office for the worldwide work, the Kingdom Hall Fund, or disaster relief, those donated funds will be used as directed by the contributor.

    The brothers in all the branches have been thoroughly trained to respond quickly to unanticipated needs. In all cases, the branch keeps the Governing Body informed regarding the matter. If additional assistance is needed, the Governing Body may invite nearby branches to help or funds may be sent directly from headquarters.​—2 Cor. 8:14, 15.

    Therefore, all contributions intended for the worldwide work, building projects in other lands, or disaster relief should be sent to the branch office in the land in which you live, either through the congregation or directly. In this way, “the faithful and discreet slave,” through the organizational arrangements set in place by the Governing Body, cares for the needs of the worldwide brotherhood in an orderly manner.​—Matt. 24:45-47; 1 Cor. 14:33, 40.

  • StephaneLaliberte

    Drearyweather: What many find troubling in such testimonies is the lack of details. You may be familiar with this popular saying: "The devil is in the details".

    How many trucks? Quantities of which items are in the trucks? How many people were helped? For how long? Did they collaborate with local authorities or other charity organisations? Origin of the trucks; rented? borrowed? How much money/people/assets were involved? What percentage of their objectives did they meet? What was the state of other people in contrast to JWs? How many perished? How did they get help? How many of them did they help?

    For the sake of the argument, let’s assume roughly 2 million dollars was used for such an operation, how many similar operations per year? Let’s say three. This comes up to 6 million dollars in humanitarian works per year around the globe. Compared to their global income, this is still a drop in the bucket.

    And yet, every time the WT asks for money, they give a prominent place to their charity works! They write articles, produce videos, talk outlines and conventions to explain how they helped people. All this leads people to believe that a large portion of their donations goes to such activities. And yet, when you take a closer look into it… charity represents a very low percentage of their expense.

  • Drearyweather
    Drearyweather, where specifically did the money come from to help the Brothers out in India?

    From donations.

    What's the point?

  • Listener

    I'm curious. You said that it's not the local Brothers that provide this aid so it must be from Indian Brothers living overseas, who also happen to have enough to spare not only to their local congregations but to the Indian Branch. So their money is supporting the Branch and the relief work as well. I can't see their money extending out that far. If that were the case then the organization must be rolling in cash.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Hey, they've got the resurrection hope, right?

    'Nuff said!

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