Misogyny----anyone here guilty?

by Tatiana 43 Replies latest social relationships

  • hornetsnest
    hornetsnest

    LOL, Tat --- Would you like that summed up in 25 words or less??

    Dang, one could write a book on each paragraph. Oh, well, let's give it a whirl.

    First, nearly all of the men you quoted need a good enema. They demonstrate a depth of understanding that's comparable to that of a 16th century Hottentot examining the space station.

    Secondly, all of the types of men and women that are described in your whole piece do exist, but no more represent all of either sex, than pedophiles represent all humans.

    Thirdly, so much "educated" b-s exists and is touted as accurate knowledge that it's a miracle when one runs across anything that's remotely worth the time to read. I personally have concluded that if one really wants to have success in marriage or child raising (or much of anything else), study all of the "recommended" ways of doing things, and then do the opposite.

    I don't and never have never felt that men were superior to women, or vice versa. We are equal but different. I remember that I was asked to give a wedding talk one time and when I used the scripture about women being the "weaker vessel", I stopped and grinned, then said, "Some men may think that this scripture means that women are inferior to men, but they don't know how wrong they are. They are different, yes, but play equally important roles in human life. Let me illustrate.

    "The term 'vessel' is usually used in the sense of a container of something. A ship contains cargo, or a 'cooking vessel' contains food for instance. In this case, we could say that a man is like a dump truck, while a woman is like a perfume bottle. They both contain something. (You should have seen the looks on the audience's faces right here!! LOL)

    Men and dump trucks are usually strong, rough, and capable of carrying great loads, and as a rule, aren't very pretty. Its importance is illustrated by the fact that it is used to construct cities and highways and many vast projects. And yes, a dump truck is bigger and stronger and could probably crush the perfume bottle fairly easily.

    "But before you brothers let this go to your head, keep in mind that a little perfume has changed the course of entire nations!

    "So don't let ego dictate the course of the marriage relationship. We have different strengths, different ways of thinking, different roles in life, yes, but they are equal in importance."

    You wouldn't believe the number of sisters that came up and thanked me afterwards!

    Right now there are so many idiots yelling about how "Men are superior!" and "Women are superior!" and "Marriage is passe!" and "Children are burdens" etc., etc., that it's truly wonderous that anything can exist that isn't twisted into a mere parody of what it was meant to be.

    I wrote a piece on the man/woman relationship some time back. I can send it to you if you wish.

    LoneWolf

  • Jim_TX
    Jim_TX

    Hey April!!!

    I think that any relationship is a give-n-take relationship. (Or should be, to be stable.)

    As for women/men, I feel that at sometimes the man will be stronger, and at others - the woman will be stronger.

    Not in the sense of a Master/Slave relationship, but in the sense of a Equal-Partners relationship.

    I haven't met a woman yet that can be a partner on terms like that - perhaps they don't exist. <grin>

    Or perhaps I am still wandering around with a fever from the flu I recently am recovering from. <wider grin>

    Good post, April.

    Fond Regards,

    Jim TX

    P.S. How do you pronounce that big multi-syllable word, anyway? <scratching head>

  • Marcos
    Marcos

    My biggest disappointment upon reaching adulthood was the fact that, contrary to what I believed as a child, I now did not have all of the answers. I now realize more than ever that there is so much more to learn than I can ever learn and that most of what I have learned is crap. Here in my country, we quote the philosopher (Plato or Socrates?), “The more I know, the more I realize I know nothing.” Corrections welcome but the meaning is clear.

    Tatiana’s post is interesting and goes to the heart of one of the greatest problems facing humans in this or any age. Male/Female relationships.

    That being said, I have always tried to deal with people on a one-to-one basis. Personally, I do not get along well with rabid feminists. On the other hand, the insensitive, drunken, whore-mongering machistas I avoid at all costs. Both types of people make me very uncomfortable. I also feel genuinely sorry for people who are addicted to such extremes of human behavior. As a stereotype, they are just unpleasant to be around.

    Neither type of person makes me feel emasculated. I simply find them to be unpleasant. Therefore, I avoid or restrict any contact with them. I know this is not entirely possible and less so for people who have to work or socialize with such people. In my case, I can choose.

    I mean no disrespect but I find the topic of “girls stink” or “all men are bad” so incredibly primary school playgroundish.

    It has always been my hope that, as an adult, it would be possible to enjoy mature relationships with people in general and not have to constantly explain myself and swear fealty to one side or the other.

    Marcos

  • back2dafront
    back2dafront
    I'm not a misogynist. I just don't care much for women, because they're not as smart as men.

    Someone PLEASE tell me he was joking.

    Only thing I have to say is that men tend to be physically stronger than women. That doesn't make man superior by any means. Women have a higher tolerance for pain, therefore they could be labeled "tougher" than men.

    There's no superiority issues in my relationship. She's my friend, lover and partner, not a slave. She's just as intelligent as I am so she can obviously make competent decisions and give wholesome advice.

    We both give - we're both happy.

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    I have seriously heard guys say that a woman will stay in her assigned role, if she is well ridden.

    I often feel like baking cookies after good sex. don't know why.

    Guys on the other hand dread the "P whipped" accusation.

    Sometimes i think that whoever has the greatest sex drive and needs in the relationship, is going to make the most consessions.

  • Tatiana
    Tatiana

    I'm sorry. My computer went down. I hate starting a thread like this and then disappearing! I really wanted to know if anyone still felt this way, as "subjection" played such a huge role in all of our lives. We were taught this from day one.

    Dan....

    I'll be honest - I couldn't stand her. I did feel emasculated in her presence.

    Why did you feel that way? I don't understand how a woman can REALLY take away your manhood? I don't think it's possible. And is there a similar word for taking away a female's femininity?

    JeffT.....

    I can't imagine spending my life with some when I thought of as a servant, not a partner.

    I feel the same way. As for changing diapers....if I can get out my tools and fix the drain, and not be critizied, why is a man for changing diapers?

    AlanF....

    I'm not a misogynist. I just don't care much for women, because they're not as smart as men.

    Can you give us some facts that make this true?

    [email protected]......

    First, nearly all of the men you quoted need a good enema

    Really, I feel that men and women are not the same....different but equal. In my last relationship, my partner wasn't very good at "fixing"things around the house. I'm pretty good at that. When we bought an entertainment center, he couldn't figure out how to put it together. And NO----I didn't try to make him feel "emasculated", by rubbing it in. He was a very good cook, and I never felt "Efeminated", when he offered to cook after I'd burned dinner!

    But, he was angry when I put it together while he was at work. This I didn't understand! We each have different talents. Why is it that men get angry or other men ridicule if the talent men have is something considered feminine??????

    Jim TX.....

    I haven't met a woman yet that can be a partner on terms like that - perhaps they don't exist. <grin>

    Stop looking!!! I'm here!!!!! LOL

    And it's pronounced......MISS--ah---gin (like the drink) ist....with the empahsis on ah.....

    Marcos....

    mean no disrespect but I find the topic of “girls stink” or “all men are bad” so incredibly primary school playgroundish.

    Agreed!!!!

    back2dafront....

    There's no superiority issues in my relationship. She's my friend, lover and partner, not a slave. She's just as intelligent as I am so she can obviously make competent decisions and give wholesome advice.

    We both give - we're both happy.

    This should be said before each wedding!!!!

    wednesday....

    Guys on the other hand dread the "P whipped" accusation.
    Why aren't women ever called "dic* whipped?????"

    Sometimes i think that whoever has the greatest sex drive and needs in the relationship, is going to make the most consessions.

    And that's a shame.......

    AlanF, if you feel this strongly now, I can't imagine how you felt as a witness, when it was condoned by everyone at the KH. Don't you think that a lot of the world's problems are caused by these ideas? As proven by history, you can't keep any human being in a subjective role for long. All humans will rebel against racism, sexism, or any other "ism" sooner or later. Are you saying that just because it's been a long-standing group-think (world-think) given...that it's TRUE?????

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Hi Tatiana,

    :: I'm not a misogynist. I just don't care much for women, because they're not as smart as men.

    : Can you give us some facts that make this true?

    No.

    : AlanF, if you feel this strongly now, I can't imagine how you felt as a witness, when it was condoned by everyone at the KH.

    My feelings now are somewhat more liberal than when I was a JW. I now allow my wife to go out on her own.

    : Don't you think that a lot of the world's problems are caused by these ideas?

    Never thought about it.

    : As proven by history, you can't keep any human being in a subjective role for long.

    So far it's worked for me.

    : All humans will rebel against racism, sexism, or any other "ism" sooner or later.

    I know. My wife gives me a lot of trouble about it.

    : Are you saying that just because it's been a long-standing group-think (world-think) given...that it's TRUE?????

    How would [i]I[/i] know? I'm a male.

    Actually, Tatiana, my twisted sense of humor is just making me jerk your chain. How I really feel about women should be evident from my last post on this thread:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/47467/1.ashx

    Please don't beat me up now. [:D]

    Come to think of it, my ridiculous comments are pretty close to what Juliann's 1st husband thought. I'm number eight. [:)]

    AlanF

  • Tatiana
    Tatiana

    [email protected] Alan.......ok...you got me.....Mr. Stepford......

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    : Mr. Stepford

    How .... How did you know?

    AlanF

  • Tatiana
    Tatiana

    How did I know? Why, I'm a woman. Of course, I know everything!!!!

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