The personal cost of Great Power Politics

by fulltimestudent 18 Replies latest social current

  • LoveUniHateExams

    I've just been reading about this poor boy, Aylan Kurdi, and his family.

    Apparently, they had been living in Turkey for three years before setting off for Europe. So, why did they leave the relative safety of Turkey for a perilous journey across the Med?

    Also, the father seems to be planning a trip back to Kobani to bury his dead loved ones. How dangerous is Kobani?

    Perhaps more information will come to light ...

  • fulltimestudent
  • fulltimestudent

    How did this crisis erupt (slowly) and whose at fault -1

    The lead into the strip, notes:

    Wars are complex. They come out of nowhere and all of a sudden, people you've never heard of are killing each other on the evening news. Here's what you need to know about the war in Syria — and it's not oil or religion. It's something that we're all creating together.

    You may have to click on the link, as I'm not sure that it will automatically appear.

  • fulltimestudent
    Diogenesister: It's crazy that Turkey is fighting the Kurds. Turkey has to face reality, the Kurds need their own homeland, any fool can see that. They have been victims of persecution for decades and more. Once they have their Kurdistan home they will be an allay of the west & a further bulwark against isis.

    I agree, but please don't forget the history at the back of the story. The seeds of the Kurd's difficulties were sown in the botched peace treaty concocted by the victors (primarily the British and French) in WW1. They rewarded themselves, by taking the freedom of others (who were essentially innocent in the war). The Brits took Iraq, a fabricated artificial state, comprising three different etho-religious groups, probably because, they could play each group against the other making it easier to rule, and used terror to maintain their hold. Why? Because they had converted the British navy to oil as a fuel, and their new territory had lots of that. The French gave themselves Syria, so if you want to know more look at how they ruled the country and its subsequent history.

    As, a sidenote, the failed Versailles Treaty, probably did as much as anything to bring about the Communist victory in the Chinese Civil war, and the proclamation of the People's Republic of China in October 1949.

    The Versailles agreement gave a chunk of China to Japan, setting off great unrest in China and the so-called May 4 movement. Within a few years the Communist Party of China was formed and the influential Chinese leader in the south, Sun Yatsen was asking the Comintern to help him in China. That was at least the second time, that Sun Yatsen felt betrayed by the West. The first time, was when the Phillipines were fighting for freedom against the Spanish and a stupid gungho, President MacKinley decided he'd invade the Phillipines.

  • Simon

    This is continued fallout from the last 60+ years of meddling in the Middle East from imposing rulers they didn't want to propping up regimes to invasions without a plan.

    This little boy, like so many others, paid the price for other's greed and politics.

  • fulltimestudent
    kaik: ISIS is not solvable in the present distribution of the coalition forces. The only better resolution is to give a Kurds own statehood at the expense of Syria, Iraq, and Turkey. Turkey does not want it and is fighting Kurds. Arabs, Irans are also against each other. Russia is supporting own fraction in Syria, while West another. Any direct land intervention would only mean escalation of war into states friendly to USA like Turkey and Jordan.
    I agree also, because there will not be a realistic solution until the Kurds can gain independence. You are quite right, Turkey is the main opponent of Kurdish independence, because they would lose part of their territory.

    Thank you for pointing out the great power role in the conflict. The west began to enter the conflict when (see the comic strip explanation I posted earlier) when they saw a chance to overthrow the existing Syrian Assad government. They were supported in this by the Saudi Arabians who saw a chance to weaken Iran who were supported by the Assad government.
    We can further note that the West always acts on short term impulse, never with a long term goal in mind. Everything they have done in the Middle East from 1919 onward has contributed to the rise of a vicious and fanatical Muslim determination to end western influence. Ninety years of chickens (which have morphed into monsters) are coming home to rest for failed western policies, and I fear for the consequences.

  • LoveUniHateExams

    I must say, I question the partiality of our media when they published the full photos of this poor little boy on the Turkish beach.

    After all, I don't remember any graphic photos of the victims massacred on the Tunisian beach ...

  • kaik

    I am not sure what is the solution for ME conflict, but one resolution would be independent Kurdistant. This would create a stable country that could be ally to the West if the West would armed it and recognize it internationally. Turkey today is not the same country that was in 1952 when it joined NATO. It is a country that became more islamized and radicalized, and many media actually believe it is the main problem maker in wider region and peace in ME. Sooner the West realize it, the better approach it could use.

    The next step would be abandoning artificial boundaries created by colonial powers and let population in IQ, Syria decide which statehood they want to belong. It would probably mean division of Iraq and Syria. I do not see how Russian involvement would improve anything. Russia is worried because thousands of its citizens joined ISIS. Russia has large Muslim population (Tatarstan, Dagestan, Chechnya, Kalmyk, ...), and own Islamic insurgency in Caucasus. While fighting cannot be stopped at present time, it is possible the long war will totally exhaust ISIS. The biggest mistake would be getting Israel involved and spread the war father around ME like into Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

  • Vidiot


    Fuck the "power players" and everyone else like them.

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