Lyingeyes, Native American Indian

by Guest 77 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • LoneWolf
    LoneWolf

    LOL. Those Cherokees got around, didn't they? Both my wife and I have
    some of that blood.
     Actually, though, they didn't have an alphabet until the 1820's. 
    Sequoya and his work is a fascinating study in dignity and integrity. 
    He was some man! Yes, the Sequoia trees are named after him.
     My daughter married into another tribe. Her husband is half Mescalero
    Apache. He is a recognized "story teller" for the tribe in their
    pow-wows. He told me one of their legends and I taped it as it
    demonstrated a remarkable level of wisdom. Sure, we can discredit
    the thought that we originated in the center of the earth, but they had
    no way to know that back then. I found the rest of it highly unusual
    and something worth paying attention to.
     Here it is, in his words:
     THE ORIGIN OF STRIFE
     "Long time ago, in a time before time, when men and women lived deep in
    the center of the earth in the Point of Origin, there they lived with
    Creator, and they were learning all that they needed to know.
     "Soon the time came for people to go out into the new world that Creator
    was making. Creator brought everyone to the Counsel Fire, and told them
    of Creators plan. You will go off, each of you in your tribes and in
    your bands, and you will go off to the four corners of the earth; to the
    north, to the south, to the east, and to the west, and with you, you
    will take the Truth of the Light and of the Fire. You are to be
    caretakers of this truth and this light. As you travel and as you
    journey, and when you meet others like you, you will take your truth
    and you will share it with the people that you meet along the way, for
    when you are able to share your truth with other people, and when you
    are able to listen to the truth that lives in anothers heart, I will
    again be with you, and all will be at peace.
     "So the Truth was divided and given to the different tribes and the
    different bands, and so the different tribes and the different bands
    emerged from the Point of Origin and stretched out across the new world
    and traveled great distances to the north and to the south and to the
    east and to the west and for many people it was a long, hard journey,
    and it had been a long time since they had seen anyone else from the
    Point of Origin. They grew lonely, and from their loneliness came anger.
     "How soon they had forgotten what Creator had told them! They believed
    that they had the only One Truth and that somehow everyone else had been
    fools. They became defenders of their truth. And they fought for their
    truth. And one day they began to kill for their truth.
     "They had forgotten what Creator had told them about sharing and about
    listening and about coming together. That is why people still fight
    today. And so my gift to you all, is to share the Truth of the Light
    that lives within me, and as I tell this story, I stretch out my hand
    to you, in the hopes that you will tell me your family stories, and
    that soon together we can all be at peace."
     That we all could have such wisdom, eh, what?
    LoneWolf 
  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Pom,

    I would like a copy of that music. Would you be so kind, email me?

    Thanks

    Danny

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    LoneWolf,

    Kinda sounds like Jesus talking to his disciples, doesn't it?

    I guess every culture has it's own truth's and religious fervor. It is a nice story, but it roots are the basis for most of mankinds political problems.

    Religious "truth" the catalist for wars and all kinds of strife.

    Danny

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    Danny...should be in yer box.

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    If anyone gets a chance to see, 'Grey Owl' starring Pierce Bronson, see it, it's a true story. It's a European living and taking on the life style of an Indian. The beavers will also catch your interest.

    Guest 77

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Guest77,

    Is this film a recent release? Is it at the local Blockbuster store?

    Sounds very interesting.

    Danny

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    Dannybear, blockbuster store. It's not an action pack movie just the life of Grey Owl.

    Guest 77

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Guest77,

    Thank you, Iam looking forward to seeing it.

    Danny

  • dottie
    dottie

    My dad's side of the family live at Six Nations in southwestern Ontario. I'm half Seneca and half Scottish...yeah growing up, I didn't have a chance *LOL* being a JW, half breed, and always alot taller then everyone else. I think it's hilarious now, but I really feel alot for my family that go through some crap being Indian and all. I find that racism isn't too bad around back home in Ontario, but where I live in Alberta now, it's pretty sketchy sometimes. Some Indians out here have given themselves quite a bad rep. Don't get me wrong the good outweigh the bad, as I now know a few at university. My brother DA'd himself saying that the JW's where just as bad as the other churches that tried to assimilate Indians in the early 1900's. He told the elder that he's an Indian and that believing in being an Indian (Great Spirt, Mother Earth, etc) was too important to him, and that he had no time for a white man to tell him how to give praise to God. *LOL* I really wish I had been there. I didn't know very many Indian JW's. The ones I did know where "fence-sitters". My Granma was/is. She was never baptized, still celebrates holidays & smokes, but she'll go to the District assemblies, or maybe the memorial.

    Interesting topic though :)

    Dottie

    ps: Some good Indian movies: Last of the Mohicans, w/ Danial Day Lewis; Geronimo, w/ Gene Hackman; Thunderheart and Dances with Wolves were good, but I think they were more "story-like" than biographical like the 2 latter. A good book to read is "Where White Men Fear to Tread", by Russell Means, an old school activist.

  • jst_me
    jst_me

    My mothers family is from N ga and we are of Cherokee descent.

    Very many people claim Cherokee ancestry for 2 reasons, because they were considered to be one of the "civilized" (read good) tribes. Also, to speak to the idea that the Cherokees "sure got around"... they were one of the largest nations in the Southeast. When they started to be forced out of the mountains, several decided to pretend they were white, it was a survival move. After all, Indians could not own land, make any legal moves, or own arms (even for hunting).

    The Cherokees and The Creeks were indeed two seperate nations. The Creek nations were in Georgia, Alambama, and North Florida. If you want to find out more about the Creek confederacy and what was lost visit Moundville one day in Alabama.

    Both also had their own "alphabets" of sorts. The Cherokee Syllabry was written down because the US govt insisted to be civilized the nations had to live in houses, go to church, and read and write. Sequoya came up with the syllabry and The People learned it right away. They were able to communicate with each other in print in this way. Fat lot of good that did, they found gold in the Ga mountains, rounded everyone up, and made them WALK to their new "home" in Oklahoma.

    However, there was a written language before this time, it just was not in the form of a phoenitic alphabet. It is important to remember that for most Indian nations the men and women who were most opposed to ceding lands to the whites were the educational and spiritual leaders, and these people were often times killed immediately so that they could not incite others to stay true to their old ways. When these important people were removed from the community, and incredible amount of cultural knowledge was lost. If you combine this with the fact that those who were left were either expected to become "Civilized", or they took off to live in hiding, it is amazing that any of the old ways have survived. Many of the the Cherokee nation's important documents (that are thousands of years old) were taken England, taken there by tricky traders.

    If you want to see a really good and realistic Indian movie watch Smoke Signals by Sherman Alexie. If you want a good book read Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee or anything by Sherman Alexie.

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