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Archaeologically Dating the Exodus to Amenhotep III
by LorenzoSmithXVII 180 Replies latest admin removed
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Fisherman
I do say it because I am right and he has admitted so. But, since it's all you have and it makes you feel better, keep on derping that chicken.
Again you say that you say you are right. Everything else you said is hogwash. You know very well that the Bible is historically accurate. Admit it.
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Mephis
What a ludicrous thing to say. Shall we start with the Garden of Eden or the Flood or are we cherry picking which parts of the bible are historically accurate? And if we're cherry picking, who gets to decide? And on what criteria? The bits with the talking donkeys or the ones with a few hundred thousand people wandering around the Sinai desert unable to find their way from Egypt to Palestine? All scripture is inspired of god, or the scribes in post-Babylonian exile jotted down what they had with varying degrees of accuracy? -
LorenzoSmithXVII
Mephis3 hours agoWhat a ludicrous thing to say. Shall we start with the Garden of Eden or the Flood or are we cherry picking which parts of the bible are historically accurate? And if we're cherry picking, who gets to decide? And on what criteria? The bits with the talking donkeys or the ones with a few hundred thousand people wandering around the Sinai desert unable to find their way from Egypt to Palestine? All scripture is inspired of god, or the scribes in post-Babylonian exile jotted down what they had with varying degrees of accuracy?
When it comes to archaeology, the cherries have already been picked for us. Basically, the period from the Exodus to Sheshonq is a unique period archaeologically speaking. It is the period archaeologists are debating Biblical events and dates about. After the Assyrian Period, of course, there are consistent references and little conflict between the Bible and records of the Israelites in foreign records, so not a lot of debate. That is from the Assyrian Period down through the Persian Period.Further, as far as I've seen, there is not a lot of radiocarbon-14 testing that I've seen reflecting levels during the Assyrian or Neo-Babylonian Period. Perhaps because we have consistent records from the Assyrian Period by the Assyrian eponym and lots of records from the Neo-Babylonian Period. So dating by pottery stratigraphy and radiocarbon-14 is relied upon for dating from the Mid-Bronze Age down into the Iron age. Then the events are dated from available records after that. So the period from the Exodus to Sheshonq is going to be a uniqely researched period. All the debating is about this period since the pottery dating and RC14 dating, generally, are showing a mis-match for where the timeline events are placed.But again, we reflect on Jehovah's Witnesses and their timeline. Generally speaking, the radiocarbon-14 dating and pottery dating show the popular secular timeline about 54-60 years earlier than what archaeologists are finding. On top of that, JW's dates are about 20 years earlier during the Neo-Babylonian Period, which increases to 67 years earlier by the time of David and Solomon back to the Exodus. JWs and the secular timeline agree on dating from the fall of Babylon in 539 BCE down into the reign of Darius I. But they adjust the rule of Artaxerxes II by creating a 10-year co-rulership between Darius I and Xerxes, allowing them to date year 20th 10 years earlier than the pagan timeline, but quickly get back in sync by the end of the reign of Artaxerxes I by replacing those ten years at the end of that reign, dating his rule as 51 years vs. the pagan dating of 41 years. Her's a basic, fundamental statement about that by Israel Finkelstein for the period of David and Solomon:"Finkelstein is a proponent of the "low chronology," an archaeological reconstruction that attempts to solve problems in the traditional Levantine chronology by "lowering the date of 11th-century BCE assemblages to the early-to-mid-10th century, and 10th century BCE assemblages to the early 9th century, with the late Iron I/early Iron IIA transition fixed in the late 10th century BCE".That is, based on the Assyrian-based timeline, David is dated from 1010-970 BCE and Solomon from 970-930 BCE. Finkelstein's archaeological dates put the end of the Philistine pottery Period about a half century later to the mid-10th century BC (c. 950 BC) and the buildings of Solomon to the early 9th century BC. One radiocarbon-14 sample from Rehov City IV destructive level would date Shishak to c. 871 BCE rather than 925 BCE, lowering that event by 54 years.But this is consistent back to the time of the fall of Jericho as well, since Kathleen Kenyon likewise lowers the time of the invasion by Joshua to c. 1350-1325 BCE versus the Assyrian-dated Exodus in 1446 BCE, again, a reduction of about 60 years. The timeline by JWs, of course, is far beyond any remote connection with where archaeologists are dating the events from the fall of Jericho down to the time of Shishak.However, at this point, the debates are a huge joke because the discrepancies are non-existent when comparisons are made to the strict Biblical timeline. The dates archaeologists are comparing are based on a revised timeline created by the Greeks and Persians during the Greco-Persian era, which adds a half century to the timeline from the Assyrian Period back to the time of the Exodus. Interestinly enough, though, this is easily corrected because the entire Assyrian Period is dated by a single eclipse event in the 10th of Bar-Sagale, now dated incorrectly to 763 BCE. The original eclipse event should be dated 54 years later to 709 BCE. When this is corrected, then the archaeological findings and the timeline match up perfectly. Allow me to quickly demonstrate.Take for instance Shishak's invasion which C14 is pointing to c. 871 BCE. It is now dated to 925 BCE based on the 763 BCE eclipse. When the 709 BCE eclipse is used to date the Assyrian Period, it lowers the chronology down by 54 years, dating Shishak to 871 BCE, precisely matching the RC14 from Rehov for that event. Finkelstein claims the end of the Philistine pottery Period should be mid-10th century BC. Right now David is dated from 1010-970 BCE based on the 763 BCE eclipse. With the 709 BCE eclipse it drops down to around 950 BC, precisely when the Philistine pottery period ends per Finkelstein. Of course, when applied to the Exodus, if we date year 39 of Solomon to 871 BCE, then his 4th year falls in 906 BCE, dating the Exodus to 1386 BCE. That means the fall of Jericho occurs 40 years later in 1346 BC, precisely where Kathleen Kenyon is dating that event. The 763 BCE dating dates the Exodus 60 years earlier in 1446 BCE.So you can see, it's very, very simple to correct the timeline simply by redating the Assyrian eclipse from 763 BCE to 709 BCE. In the meantime, the strict Biblical dating also dates the Exodus to 1386 BCE, specifically in line with the 709 BCE eclipse. So the strict Biblical timeline and the archaeology agree 100% with this one eclipse adjustment.So in reality, all the debating over the Biblical dates vs. the archaeology dates is simply a reflection of the fact that the archaeological dating is reflecting dating closer to the timeline before the Greeks revised the timeline and added years to the timeline which results in a 54-year distortion in the Assyrian Period back to the time of the Exodus. Maybe it is easier to just focus on that one correction. -
Viviane
gain you say that you say you are right. Everything else you said is hogwash.
Reading and book lernin iz hard. Not surprised you choose derp instead.
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LorenzoSmithXVII
Viviane25 minutes ago
gain you say that you say you are right. Everything else you said is hogwash.
Reading and book lernin iz hard. Not surprised you choose derp instead.
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Hi Viv. Your position, like mine, are relative. Are you aware there is an Egyptologist named David Rohl who wants to lower the Amarna period by 363 years? It's ridiculous. He wants to date an eclipse that occurred in 1375 BCE to an eclipse that occurred in 1012 BC! Of course, you know JWs have their own dating as well. They want to date the Exodus to 1513 BCE which is a ridiculous date, archaeologically speaking.
So different theories about history and dates is just another different theory. We make up our own minds about what dates we believe in. In my case, I use 1947 to date critical events in the ancient Biblical timeline. The Exodus I date to 1386 BCE and the return from Babylon to 455 BCE. Those are the two most critical dates, I suppose. I don't really care how much that contradicts the phony pagan timeline, but of note, I get good harmony with archaeology for the dating from the Exodus to Shishak, as I've demonstrated! So it is good times for those who trust the Bible.
In the meantime, we know the Greek timeline was revised by Xenophon and we have been able to correct that timeline using critical eclipse events. That means those maintaining credibility towards the phony timeline are either dishonest or incompetent -- it's just that simple. Once you tell them how to correct the timeline and they insist on ignoring you, though, you confirm they are simply dishonest. You just have to laugh at them and leave them to their own darkness and delusion. But at least the Bible has been vindicated!
Which is what I think our debate issue is. Not the details, but that you believe the Bible is not accurate history, which the way I have it set up, it is. I suppose you're an atheist. I don't blame atheists though for not believing in God, since God doesn't seem to be that interested in proving he really exists, beyond the beauty and harmony we see in the universe and the Bible itself.
but the way God works it is that for those with lots of faith, he provides even more evidence. For those who have little or no faith, he provides more rope for them to hang themselves. Like he hardened the heart of pharaoh, he hardens the hearts of the atheists so they are blinded to reality.
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Caedes
but the way God works it is that for those with lots of faith, he provides even more evidence. For those who have little or no faith, he provides more rope for them to hang themselves. Like he hardened the heart of pharaoh, he hardens the hearts of the atheists so they are blinded to reality.
It's always nice to know that you realise your god is an arsehole. After all we are merely using the faculties your god gave us, right?
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Mephis
Radiocarbon dating is not pointing to Shishak's invasion being c.871 Lars. There is a destruction event which may be around that time period at one site which has another destruction event with an earlier date which does fit the 'traditional' Shoshenq I dating.
Good luck trying to persuade anyone that Assyrian history needs to be shifted in order to accommodate the bible. Really. Because ultimately doing that you run into needing to redate the Babylonians too (because that slots in perfectly with the current chronology) and no-one is stupid enough to even begin to want to play that game.. well, apart from Jdub apologists... and I guess there's others. Kandalanu's reign is pretty well nailed down (as in, fixed and it ain't moving) for dating and 763 eclipse works to tie the Assyrian to the Babylonian via the Uruk Kings List through that too.
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LorenzoSmithXVII
Caedesan hour ago
but the way God works it is that for those with lots of faith, he provides even more evidence. For those who have little or no faith, he provides more rope for them to hang themselves. Like he hardened the heart of pharaoh, he hardens the hearts of the atheists so they are blinded to reality.
It's always nice to know that you realise your god is an arsehole. After all we are merely using the faculties your god gave us, right?Well, I sort of see it like the marriage game. A woman finds out her husband has been cheating on her for years and has babies by two different women, no wonder he is never home. Well, she decides she is not putting up with it any more and is going to leave him. She tells him it's over in a note and leaves for a nice long vacation in the Bahamas. That will teach him! She gets back in two weeks the the note is still there. She goes to the closet and finds his clothes are already gone. Fact is, he moved out long before she even noticed he was gone. Point being: Who left whom?
Same story with atheists. They are all so gung-ho to let God know he's an "arsehole" and they don't like him, except, maybe he's not around to hear it. He already figured out who was of no consequence in the universe long ago. They are just now finding out they are of no consequence.
I don't think God spends much time trying to figure out how he can change the mind of atheists.
So yes, God is a bitch to the rejected. But to his favorites, he is a total delight! A wonderful god!
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Caedes
I don't think God spends much time trying to figure out how he can change the mind of atheists.
He doesn't need to figure it out, we are the way he made us.