Archaeologically Dating the Exodus to Amenhotep III

by LorenzoSmithXVII 180 Replies latest admin removed

  • LorenzoSmithXVII
    LorenzoSmithXVII

    SimonSays. Thank you for your references and your opinion about when the Exodus occurred. All I would add is that my hands are tied because of the itnerpretation that 1947 begins the 70th jubilee. If so, the Exodus has to have the "absolute date" of 1386 BCE. That's the date that is compared with everything historical, archaeological and astronomical. For 1947 to work, 1386 BCE has to work. But I understand how the context for the Exodus could work for you in a later period.

    The other concern I have is that you don't realize that Wood thinks that Kenyon is trying to date Joshua to 1550 BC instead of 1350 BC. So please reaffirm for me that she claims that the Egyptians during the Hyksos expulsion are the ones who set the city on fire c. 1550 BC, and claims the Israelites destroyed a later LBA city c. 1350 BC. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yes, Kenyon uses C14 dating to date the destruction of MBA Jericho c. 1550 BCE, but she is not dating Joshua's destruction that year, but much later c. 1350 BCE. Wood doesn't realize this, apparently not having read her book.

    Thanks for sharing.

  • LorenzoSmithXVII
    LorenzoSmithXVII

    Marmot5 hours ago

    Jesus H. Christ, just reading that makes me picture Lars twitching spasmodically at the keyboard, eyes bloodshot, lips flecked with spittle as he rocks himself into a murmuring trance. This is becoming downright tragic. He needs help.

    I wish I had some fun meds to be on. In the meantime, a nice Sangria or zinfandel works just as well. Thanks for thinking about me.
  • LorenzoSmithXVII
    LorenzoSmithXVII

    SimonSays3 hours ago

    Finally you show some type of rationale. Perhaps you should have started your OP that way. You can never tell who gets the most pleasure from a hostile environment.

    One side note and I’ll leave you with your theories. You premise in knowing when Joseph came into Egypt can be found by other methods not just the Exodus. Biblical chronology will never match secular chronology as there will always be either a 1 jubilee or 1 score difference, as previously mentioned here by which starting point.


    Actually, I AM claiming that there are consistent matches from archaeology and astronomy to my personal timeline. I call it the Anstey-Josephus timeline. I date the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE per Anstey, then date the last deportation 70 years earlier per Josephus. The return is on a jubilee year, 19 jubilees after the Exodus. 19 jubilees is 931 years (19 x 49 = 931). 931 + 455 = 1386 BCE. So that is my specific timeline conclusion and belief. But that being the case, there is a lot of secular references and archaeological evidence supporting that timeline. You say Biblical chronology will "never match" the secular timeline, but that entirely depends on the Biblical timeline you're using.
    Just in passing, for instance, Israel Finkelstein dates the end of the Philistine pottery period to the mid-10th century BC. When the Exodus is dated to 1386 BCE, then Solomon's rule would occur from 910-870 BCE, and David's rule 40 years earlier from 950-910 BCE. So it could be said that in this case, secular and the Biblical timeline are in agreement. So it is very subjective to what secular references you look at and what Biblical timeline you use. My dating the Exodus to 1386 BCE has a high compatibility with where archaeology is dating certain events. So I'm quite pleased.
    but I want to again emphasize that the timeline I use is highly inflexible as it uses 1947 to date the 70th jubilee, which dictates not only the Exodus in 1386 BCE, but the return of the Jews from Babylon in 455 BCE. My dating the Exodus to 1386 BCE will either harmonize or not harmonize with one archaeological reference or another. Thta's the way it goes. But so far, all the archaeology between the fall of Jericho to Sheshonq matches the Bible's relative chronology as well as absolute chronology for this period. So it is quite reassuring.
  • Viviane
    Viviane
    Besides the obvious mismatches in your mind, just what do you think that you have more than this poster?

    Herpa....

    Piffle! The Bible is very historically accurate, and you know it.

    ... derpa. Derpa derpa, Mohammed jihad.

  • Viviane
    Viviane
    I AM claiming that there are consistent matches from archaeology and astronomy to my personal timeline

    And you've been shown wrong consistently and by your own sources. You're bordering on insanity.

  • LorenzoSmithXVII
    LorenzoSmithXVII

    iviane2 hours ago

    They basically dig up as much as they can find to disprove the Bible's history.

    This simply shows your utter ignorance on the subject. For hundreds of years archaeologists assumed the Bible was true and interpreted anything they found in that light. Only after evidence against and better dating and investigative techniques were discovered did the overwhelming preponderance of evidence show the Bible was in no way historically accurate.

    You are are basically a mouthpiece for how not to thing, a walking advertisement for why we need to teach critical thinking in schools, a billboard screaming out the need for a basic education in science and reasoning, all because you have none of those things.

    Girrrrl, where have you been? I've missed you.

    I know you are generally dismissive, but actually all this is very subjective and highly dependent on what dates you decide are the Bible's dates for certain events. For instance, Martin Anstey concluded that per the bible, the 1st of Cyrus needed to be dated to c. 455 BCE. On that presumption he assumed the Persian Period was some 82 years too long.

    On that note, though, the Jewish rabbinical timeline becomes of great interest. That timeline dates the 6th of Darius and thus the completion of the temple to as late as 352 BCE! That's a reduction in the Persian Period of 164 years! That is, 516 - 352 = 164. Now no one takes 352 BCE seriously as year 6 of Darius I, but it is suspicious as a cryptic date since it is exactly double the distortion of the Persian Period per Anstey and the Bible. That is, the presumptive revised date for year 6 of Darius falls in 516 BCE, exactly 82 years eralier than the Biblical date for that event in 434 BCE. But 352 BCE is exactly 82 years later than 434 BCE. Thus that reference is considered to be a cryptic reference. If so, we cannot rule out that the rabbinical Jews were not aware of the revisions made to the Persian Period. They are just not sharing that with the "goyim" (, i.e. gentiles).

    Two other dates also stand out. 526 and 522 BC. There is a 4-year interval between the fall of Jersualem and the beginning of the 70-year exile. The original dates are 529 BCE and 525 BCE, respectively. Now 5226 and 522 BCE do not covert with the application of a simple 82 years. But if you add the 21 years it took to build the 2nd temple and add that to 82 yeras, giving you 103 years, then 522 and 526 BCE convert to 525 and 529 BCE. At this point, the presumption is that the dates in the rabbinical timeline are cryptic references to the original timeline and convert to the original dating based on some temple-related interval. That is not disproved with their dating of the 1st temple in 832 BCE. The original date is 906 BCE based on the Exodus occurring in 1386 BCE. That represents a 74-year discrepancy (906 = 832 = 74). Of course, 74 is another temple-related interval; it is the interval between the end of the first temple and the beginning of the second (529 - 455 = 74) . Because of this, one presumption is that the Jews never lost track of the original timeline and these cryptic dates are thus used to support the original restored timeline.

    So as I said, harmony between the Bible and secular references entirely depends on what Biblical timeline you use and what secular references you use. The 1386 BCE Exodus timeline has high compatibility with a lot of secular references.

    I don't mind your pontificating condescending, by the way. We both know I'm the true BBOB* here. (smile)

    Welcome back to the discussion!

    *"BBOB" = "big bitch on the block"

  • LorenzoSmithXVII
    LorenzoSmithXVII

    Viviane2 minutes ago

    I AM claiming that there are consistent matches from archaeology and astronomy to my personal timeline

    And you've been shown wrong consistently and by your own sources. You're bordering on insanity.

    All I can do is give you an example of what I'm speaking of. For instance, I'm dating the Exodus to 1386 BCE, right? That means the fall of Jericho I'm dating to 1346 BCE. Per Kathleen Kenyon, she claims the Israelites destroyed Jericho between 1350-1325 BCE, which agrees with a 1346 BCE fall of Jericho by the Israelites from my timeline. See?

    Another favorite example is C14 dating from Rehov City IV which is linked to Sheshonq's invasion dated to c. 871 BCE. When 1386 BCE dates the Exodus, then the 4th of Solomon 480 years later falls in 906 BCE, meaning his 39th year occurs in 871 BCE. Sheshonq attacked in year 39 of Solomon, so I have a radiocarbon-14 confirmation for year 39 of Solomon falling in 871 BCE. I'm ecstatic. Science proves the Bible's true timeline is very reliable.

    So your claims that archaeology does not confirm the bible is entirely dependent on which Bible timeline you use. Now, indeed, if you use the revised timeline of the Greeks and the Persians, then you will find contradictions. Case in point, that timeline misdates Sheshonq to 925 BCE. Compared to the C14 dating, that's 54 years too early. So, yes, one gets the impression that science and archaeology and the Bible's dating do not agree. But the Bible doesn't date year 39 of Solomon to 925 BCE, the revised Greek timeline does. The Bible's date for that event is 871 BCE, confirmed now by C14 dating from Rehov.

    See what I mean? Success as far as harmonizing the Bible's timeline and archaeology depends entirely on first getting the Bible's timeline correct. Once you do that and make comparisons, there is lots of compatibility from the Exodus down to the reign of Artaxerxes III. Greek revisions to the timeline were made prior to the reign of Artaxerxes IIII, with distortions going back to the Exodus.

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    And you've been shown wrong consistently and by your own sources. You're bordering on insanity.

    No he has not. You say that he has. And then you call him almost insane as if that could substantiate your unsupported views.

  • Viviane
    Viviane
    I know you are generally dismissive

    Indeed you again have it exactly backwards. I've not dismissed anything, you're simply consistently wrong in the face of all available fact. You freely admit you are making these claims based on your own ignorance and faith.

    I don't mind your pontificating condescending, by the way. We both know I'm the true BBOB* here. (smile)

    Condescending humor is often a method used to deflect from insecurity and feelings of inferiority.

  • Viviane
    Viviane
    No he has not. You say that he has. And then you call him almost insane as if that could substantiate your unsupported views.

    I do say it because I am right and he has admitted so. But, since it's all you have and it makes you feel better, keep on derping that chicken.

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