Masturbation

CoolBreeze

Hi All,
The title of this thread was one of the stumbling blocks of my study. As a single full time father(with no time for dating)of a soon to be tenage son this was a major point of imprt to me. The point came up during a discussion on porneia(sp?). My study guide told me that Jehovah considered masturbation to be an unclean act and therefore a sin. I asked him to show me scriptural evidence. He showed me all sorts of scriptures regarding sexual practices that Ja dissaproved of(mostly Hebrew scriptures). Although some of these passages were quite explicit as to what practices were to be abstained from such as homosexuality, bestiality, and so on; not once was masturbation mentioned specificaly. My question to him was "If Ja set forth so many rules governing just about all aspects of sexual relations, then why would masturbation not be specificaly mentioned as a sin?" Needless to say I did not receive any sort of meaningful answer. I'm happy to say that I now advise my son that masturbarion is a normal healthy way to release sexual tension, as long as it is done dicsretely and in private. I follow that advice myself. As I said I don't have time to persue a romantic (sexual) relationship at the moment. I just wanted to get some input from some of the wonderful folks on this board, especialy those who were raised in the org and now have children aproaching puberty. What do you tell them about this subject? I'm looking forward to your replies.

Ciao,
CoolBreeze

jelly

Hi coolbreeze,

I can't give you input becuase my situation is differnt but I just wanted to say I liked your post. Using the law and related, but different, scriptures to 'prove' a point is very indicative of the GB. You were much more perseptive than me becuase I was nearly a perfect study thinking these people had all the answers it wasn't until I was in the organization for a couple of years that I started to question.

Jelly (who does it like a rabid monkey)

claudia

Well, with my son its "dont ask dont tell" lol. But not because i feel masturbation is wrong, its just because my son would feel awkward because im a woman. He is more comfortable about these things with his father. I feel there is NOTHING wrong with your thinking. And theres nothing wrong with maturbation. My jw sis thinks masturbation and oral sex is demonic, yes demonic was her exact decription. Her hubby ended up getting things from other women. I think she is a very sick pup.

larc

Well friends,

Masturbation is a touchy subject (pun intended). As a father, I never discussed it with my son. I figured that he would figure out on his own, how to use his joy stick. If any man says he hasn't done it, he is either a liar or has a medical problem. What the percentage is among women, I don't know but I would guess that the percentages are up there close to 100% as well. (If not ladies, give it a try.) By the way, did you ever think about how much really good sex is missed, as a natural resource, because people are at the wrong place at the wrong time? Two ships passing in the night, as it were. It breaks my heart to even think about it.

Joke time: One night I went into the bedroom and told my wife straight out that I just had to have sex. She left the room to give me some privacy.

Please don't tell logical that I told this joke. He will call me all kinds of filthy names and make me cry.

somebody

I have a 19 year old son, and a daughter about to turn 17. I never brought up the subject of masturbation with them, because of the same reason that larc said. It's a natural part of life,and not only for teens, but for adults too. I think it's natural for males and females, married or single, young or old, heterosexulas or homosexuals. I don't know about anyone else, but I've never heard of masturbation ruining or causing problems in a marriage. If anything, I think it's the opposite.

I'm happy to say that I now advise my son that masturbarion is a normal healthy way to release sexual tension, as long as it is done dicsretely and in private.

I also would think that it would be unnatural for teens or adults to do it undiscreetely ( is that a word? ) or out in the open with other folks around. :-)

peace,
somebody

rabotnik

Hello everyone,

I recently saw a Woody Allen movie and there was a line that went:

"What's wrong with masturbation? It's sex with someone I love."

The best,
R.

trevor

FROM THE ELDERS MANUAL;

Sexual misconduct, including; adultery, fornication, and
other forms of "por.ne'a.."

Uncleanness includes an intentional momentary touching
of sexual parts or caressing of breasts. ( I Thess. 4:7, 8;
1 Tim. 5:1,2).........

There is a need for strong counsel, admonition, and
assistance to help the individual to maintain chaste
conduct in the future.

If not corrected, such conduct may escalate in gravity
and by frequent repetition become loose conduct.

Loose conduct is a shocking, flagrant disregard for Jeho-
vah's moral standards. (Gal. 5:19; w83 3/15 p. 31; w73
9/15 pp. 574-6)

It may include the willful practice of heavy petting or
the fondling of breasts.

The nature, circumstances, and actual extent of what
has occurred may indicate loose conduct, which would
require judicial action.

Such practices can easily lead to por.nei´a.

"Por.nei´a" involves immoral use of the genitals of at least
one human ( whether in a natural or a perverted way ), and
there must have been another party to the immorality‹a
human of either sex or a beast; willing participation incurs
guilt and requires judicial action. It is not a casual touch-
ing of the sex organs between persons but involves the
manipulation of the genitals. (w83 6/1 pp. 23-6; w83
3/15 pp. 30-1)

It includes oral and anal sex or mutual masturbation
between persons not married to each other, homosexu-
ality, lesbianism, fornication, adultery, incest, and bes-
tiality. (Lev. 20:10, 13, 15, 16; Rom. 1:24, 26, 27, 32;
1 Cor. 6:9, 10)

Also included are sexual abuse of children, including
practices involving a catamite (a boy kept for purposes
of sexual perversion). (Deut. 23:17, 18, Ref.: Bi., ftns.)

Victims of sexual abuse need to be treated with
extreme thoughtfulness and kindness. Elders should
always do what they reasonably can to protect
children from further abuse;
follow the Society's directives on such matters. (g85 1/22 p. 8)

Self-abuse, or masturbation, is not Porna'a," nor
would one who was raped be guilty of por.nei´a. (w83
3/15 p. 30; w74 3/1 p. 160; it-l pp. 862-4; tp p. 144)

The term por.nei´a lays emphasis on both the lewd
nature and the intent of the person's conduct, and it
embraces all illicit sexual activity characteristic of that
found in a house of prostitution.

Copulation (as in penetration) is not necessary to
constitute por.nei'a, and neither is sexual climax.

In borderline cases, it is the responsibility of the
judicial committee to weigh carefully the Scriptures
and the particular facts in the case to determine
whether por.nei'a was involved.

It seems that masterbation is ok now. Why did they change the rules just as I gave up?

When I was in a pub after a meeting, many years ago, I was given some timely advice from an ex-soldier who guessed my predicament - 'Never let your tool go rusty young Trevor.'

happytobefree

This topic is so funny, because I remember when our son was reaching puberty and I asked my husband to talk to my son about how unclean masturbation is (at the time I was a practising JW and my husband is a worldly man). My husband looked at me strange and said, "If I talk to him, I will give him tips on how to masturbate discreetly and effectively and how I wish he would practice maturbation. He also told me that masturbation is not in the bible and that I should stopped letting those damn JW run my life (he was very irritated).

Well over the weekend I attended a sex toy party and enjoyed the party so well that I bought a lot of toys, plus I book a party for me to host. When I came home with my toys, my husband joked, I know you didn't buy toys for self enjoyment. I had to laugh and told him, now I know why most JW are uptight.

Happy to be Free (Me)

claudia

Wow Happy, Im i bet your husbands happy that youre free!!!!! ; )

Tina

Hi Cool and all,
I can't remember how/why that topic came up but I do remember what I shared with my son when he was a teen.
I told him very simply that it was a normal and natural practice done privately or with a consenting partner......we were both jw's at that time. I just never agreed with their primitive thinking on sex, and didn't want to heap feelings of guilt and shame on my boy...regards,Tina

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