CHILD MOLESTATION & THE GAY AGENDA - PART 1

by Perry 64 Replies latest members adult

  • morrisamb
    morrisamb

    Perry, you write: It is the banner of discriminated gays that some molesters are marching under

    Before you edited your post I believe you said "that molesters are marching under". I was just responding to that line and then you changed it. I'm glad, because my father is a perfect example a molester who doesn't march to the gay beat (And I thank god for that!)

    So now I'll respond to ..."Some molesters" !!!...we're talking less than .0 something %! In fact there are molesters who would have us gays stoned! To suggest that molesters are in our camp is an overstatement of the facts.

    And you ask, do I believe that gays have a communal responsibility to show their outrage? I think every segment of our society should show their outrage. I don't know if you've read some of my writings, but I write to educate people who want to be educated. I don't focus my attention on reaching any one group.

  • COMF
    COMF
    But to call me an idiot for highlighting a very vocal, albeit small group of child molesters who consider themselves part of the gay/lesbian community, is irresponsible at best and completely close-minded at worst.

    Go back and read what I said again.

  • 4skins
    4skins

    I have yet to see any scientific study that has PROVED homosexual orientation is biologically determined. Some of you guys are parrotting the propaganda that the homosexual lobby wants you to. Whether it was the Swaab and Hofman or LeVay or Hamer or Bailey and Pillard studies nothing came of it as regards ANY hard biologic evidence for homosexual orientation. Needless to add, all the researchers were homosexuals pursuing a subjective agenda. Homosexual orientation is learned, it is psychological whether to care to admit or not. That it is curable should at least suggest that it is not biological, but psychological. Choice is involved when the individual decides to engage in sex. Homosexuals are, and will forever be, latent heterosexuals. Homosexual orientation, in short, is a heterosexual disturbance of the mind.

    In regards the issue of pedophillia, homosexuals are as active in children hunting as any heterosexual male or female chasing a child of the opposite gender. Homosexual orientation as it's experienced by individuals of the JW faith is no different from any other religion or as experienced in the general secular society. In the case of the WTS, its hidden agenda is to create disturbances in people. Those of you who are xjws must surely know that! The WTS is a zionist agency pressing a socialist cause to disintergrate. The issue of homosexuality in the WTS is related to the issue of pedophillia.

  • morrisamb
    morrisamb

    Hey 4skins, You write, "In regards the issue of pedophillia, homosexuals are as active in children hunting as any heterosexual male or female chasing a child of the opposite gender....The issue of homosexuality in the WTS is related to the issue of pedophillia." My molester heterosexual father couldn't have said it better himself. Dad?

  • Tucky
    Tucky

    I am heterosexual and my grandfather who molested me was heterosexual. He only stopped when I was no longer a boy. Therefore, he stopped when it would have been considered consensual, homosexual activities in his Bible-thumping mind! Marching under a gay umbrella? I think not!

  • COMF
    COMF
    he stopped when it would have been considered consensual

    Could he maybe have stopped because you could have whipped his ass?

  • Tucky
    Tucky

    I understand where your question is coming from comf..I've heard it many times before.

    My brothers and I were molested for years by Grandpa and one brother was a sports jock. Fear and shame prevented our disclosure. Before he died I visited him in the hospital (my brothers promised each other not to disclose while our mother was alive) and he grabbed my crotch! I was in my 20s.

    Think of it as a silent brainwash. Hit our christian grandfather? We never did.

    We think he stopped because we were no longer his type. We outgrew it.

  • Perry
    Perry

    Well,I think it's safe to say that the last several comments were very instructive, especially those that have been courageous enough to share personal events about themselves and their subsequent observations. I thank those courageous posters sincerely for adding a voice of experience to the discussion.

    That human sexuality is complicated with many overlaps is not only evident, but is illustrated in the fact that profesionals are willing to rubber stamp most any practice to avoid hurting someone's feelings. Consider the APA's assinine comments:

    "The American Psychological Association appears to have similar sympathies when it published a sloppy and error-filled article in its Psychological Bulletin in July 1998, arguing that there is no research documenting that sexual child abuse is harmful to children and that "a willing encounter with positive reactions would be labeled simply adult-child sex".

    So, even professional organizations are willing to ignore children's and parental rights in order to affirm the "right" of child molesters. That is a truly disgusting indictment on them. According to the reseacher, the gay/lesbian community had this response:

    ....."There was no outcry from the homosexual community. Indeed, they either remained silent or publicly defended the article. One of the nations most prominent homosexual journalists, Andrew Sullivan, attacked critics of the study in the New York Times. In the National Journal, gay journalist Jonathan Rauch strongly defended the study and argued that child molestation should be called "adult-adolescent sex."[56]

    Now before we dismiss this as just a couple of nut cracks consider more of his arguments:

    "G ay activists have spun the Scout molestation epidemic as a heterosexual problem. Examination of many of the higher profile cases, however, reveals that Scout molesters are attracted exclusively to boys and many lead mainstream gay lifestyles. John Hemstreet is a typical example. Hemstreet is a convicted child molester, former Boy Scout leader, and currently the President of the chapter of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG). PFLAG is one of the groups leading the nationwide attack on the Boy Scouts of America" [13]

    "The most comprehensive gay networking website, the Queer Resource Directory (www.qrd.org), links every gay group in the country including NAMBLA and other homosexual groups that focus on youth. NAMBLA marches in gay pride parades with the consent of the gay leadership. Many of the homosexual movements most prominent leaders endorse NAMBLA and its goals".

    I logged on just to see if it was true.....and there it was being advertised bigger than dog shit on a hot Texas day.

    "L eading mainstream homosexual newspapers and magazines such as the Advocate, Edge, Metroline, The Guide, and TheSan Francisco Sentinel have not only published pro-NAMBLA articles and columns but also many have editorialized in favor of NAMBLA and sex with children. The editor of The Guide, Ed Hougen, stated in an interview with Lambda Report, "I believe they [NAMBLA] are generally interested in the right of young people to be sexual . . . . I am glad there is a group like NAMBLA that is willing to be courageous." The San Francisco Sentinel was more blunt: "NAMBLAs position on sex is not unreasonable, just unpopular".

    So, all things considered it does seem that the charge of "unfair" and "homophobe" rings a little hollow to the ears of critics. Naturally, no one wants to be biggoted....especially ex-jw's since we all evbidently had our fill of biggotry in the WTBS.

    However, the evidence of molesters exploiting overlapping sexual behaviors and characterizations to their advantage is over whelming and beyond discussion in my opinion. The apparent fact that many gay leaders support the cause is beyond a social outrage, it is a societal cesspool.

    The idea that once a person has sex with a young person below the age of consent, he changes his sexual identity from hetero or homo into a singular status of "molester" is ridiculous. It is clear from the posters with experience that they are both. Some are in all liklihood, even bi-sexual + molester.

    So the question is not someone's orientation when they molest but rather why the gay/lesbian community is not more out-spoken in their condemnation of molesters. Why do they allow them to march in their parades? Why do they allow their struggle against biggotry to make room for sympathies for the molester cause? Why do they accept their donations and political support?

    And, these are the exact same questions we are asking the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

    Some may say, "Well, they don't represent me" I can appreciate that stand. Where is the outrage against

    them then? If any lurkers are reading this thread, and rest assured they are, what will they think?

    Some may of them may reason, "The apostates have nothing to offer. They are willing to cry crocodile tears when the society fails to report molestation to the police when not required by law; and yet, the apostates fail to be outraged when public, openly politically motivated molesters attach themselves to organizations they feel are doing the right thing. What hypocrits! They don't care about children....they only care about destroying the Society!

    A review of many of the posts on this thread reveals that many appeared to be far more concerned about a possible case of biggotry than the thousands of children molested by people associated within the Gay/Lesbian cause.

    Shame, Shame.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Nothing is straightforward is it? Unless you're stupid, then everything is.

    Edited by - SixofNine on 29 July 2002 23:43:16

  • morrisamb
    morrisamb

    Perry, my book, Father's Touch, is being reviewed by a major gay newspaper in Toronto, Canada. It will appear in next Thursday's issue. I will be very interested in reading a gay man's perspective on a gay man's memoir of experiencing sexual abuse by a heterosexual man. The newspaper is as far away from being conservative as you can get. This is going to be interesting.

    As I've already written, I have found some gays unsympathetic to molestation victims. But no more than in ANY OTHER group, especially not Witnesses. In fact, I just went out for a drinks a month ago with a bunch of my actor friends (not gay). One man said, "I have to take your word for it that you are telling the truth, but a lot of the teenagers that are claiming sexual abuse are in it for the money -- not only in payment for services rendered but in suing their priests in the final hour." I said, "That's not the first time I've heard that but I find that extremely offensive and insensitive. Many of these teenage boys who work as male prostitutes have learned the trade from their molesters. But for the grace of god, I could have been one of them!"

    I have not been offended by anything that you've brought up. I just have to admit, I wonder why you care?

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