The wailing wall of the Jews (page 3)

funkyderek

Do you know how many senators, congressmen, ambassadors and heads of the various agencies are jewish?

Presumably you do, SS. How many?

(Edited because of this highly annoying "WYSIWYG" interface)

Edited by - funkyderek on 9 July 2002 11:40:35

Spider monkey -That was part of my point that it was a mistake for the US to ever promote the backing of a jewish state and the genocide of the palistinian people . The likely hood of george w falling into the snare of zionism is slim to none since he has already announced that he would rather see a palestinian state but don't think he is a big fan of arafat and doubt that any further US backing will take place.I thought it interesting that sharon was trying to get UN peacekeeping troops involved and can't help but be pessimistic about a peaceful outcome even if they did . ss - intersesting thoughts on the pre ww2 situation hitler and the jews the question of why hitler hated the jews to the extent of genocide could in itself start a heated debate .

SpiderMonkey

The whole thing is up in the air at this point. Israel is occupying Palestinian territory to prevent terrorist attacks, and W is letting that happen, because at least on the surface, Israel has the right to self-defense. I'd agree with that, except that Israel has no real right to exist in the first place. Israel refuses to acknowledge the "right of return" for Arab refugees because it it would "unbalance" the ethnic makeup of the state... But isn't that what happened to the region in the first place, when the right of return for Jews was imposed upon the land? And if their right of return is valid, after 2000+ years of the land belonging to someone else, then why not make the right of return valid for those that the Jews conquered even more thousands of years ago (Arabs)? Or, see it this way: If Jews must be reinstated on their "patriarchal land" after 2000 years or so, then why not give all of America back to the Native Americans (who dwelt on this entire land less than 600 years ago)? They hardly suffered any less, so where's the logic here?

The whole thing is a quagmire. Let them duke it out and prove to themselves who's boss, IMO; no one's "right" to the land is supreme. And, SaintSatan, I don't expect Russia or China to attack Israel, or necessarily expect all the Arab nations around it to defeat it. But Europe isn't exactly pro-Israel these days, or pro-America for that matter. So I doubt that Israel will make a move. I think it is waiting for an Arab move so that it can retaliate with world opinion in full favor. But if that happens... It would be a lose-lose proposition for everyone. Potential World War III. I don't think anyone can say whose side Europe would be on in that battle; or if push comes to shove, China and Russa. They both have their own problems, and could seize upon any chance to increase their own share of the globe. I doubt that any sympathy for the founders of Communism, or suppliers of high-tech, would keep them from serving their own interests.

My whole point at the beginning was this: Leave Satan out of the friggin' equation. If you have a problem with Israel, that's understandable IMO. But too many enemies have already been made, and too many lives have already been lost, b/c of people crying "Satan worship!" when they didn't understand someone else's religion.

Satanus

Funkyderek

Sorry for taking so long. Must be that kaballa obstructing me;)

I would like to say that i don't hate jews. We have some illustrious ones on this board, whom i respect.

Jews in W Bushs govt

1). Colin Powell

-----Secretary of State, ex-chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, of Jamaican origin, he has one Jewish ancestor on his father's side. He grew up in a heavily Jewish-populated neighborhood in New York, and speaks Yiddish. The first day of being picked (12/16) he said he wanted to toughen sanctions on Iraq, and will work to "re-energize the sanctions regime."

2).

Richard Perle ----One of Bush's Foreign Policy Advisors. He is chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. He had worked as Bush's Jewish national security campaign advisor. A very likely Israeli agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson's office in the 1970's after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam.

3). Paul Wolfowitz

----Deputy Defense Secretary, Bush's Jewish foreign policy campaign advisor, close associate of Israeli agent Richard Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military.

4). Robert Satloff

----U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

5). Dov Zekheim

----Under Secretary of Defense and Comptroller. He was Bush's Jewish foreign policy advisor and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

6). Douglas Feith

----Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don't agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith "represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer." Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine.

7). Elliott Abrams

-----National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.

8). Marc Grossman

-----Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

9). Richard Haass

-----Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

10). Henry Kissinger

-----One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. For detailed information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book. Kissinger had a part in the Watergate crimes, Southeast Asia mass murders, Chile dictatorship, and more recently served as Serbian Dictator Slobodan Milosevic's Advisor. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S.

11). James Schlesinger

-----One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

12). Robert Zoellick

-----U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position. He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up setting up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

13). Mel Sembler

-----President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

14). Ari Fleischer

----Official White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, he reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

15). Joshua Bolten

----Bush's Chief Policy Director, banker and former legislative aide. Prominent in the Jewish community.

16). Steve Goldsmith

----Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also serves as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

17). Adam Goldman

-----White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

18). Joseph Gildenhorn

-----Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

19). Christopher Gersten

-----Former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez, and reportedly very pro-Israel. Their children are being raised Jewish.

20). Daniel Saul Goldin

-----Head of NASA, National Aeronautics and Space Administration. A leftover from the Clinton Administration, Golding is frequently praised by the Israeli media as a friend of Israel.

There are about 4.4 million jews in the US, compared to a population of 287.5 million . Thats 1.5-2.% of the population. Congress has 100 senators and 435 members in the house of representatives.

year 1999

11 jews in the senate 11%

Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.)*
Russell Feingold (D-Wisc.)*
Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)
Herb Kohl (D-Wisc.)
Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.)
Carl Levin (D-Mich.)
Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.)
Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.)*
Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)*
Paul Wellstone (D-Minn.)
Ron Wyden (D-Ore.)*

1999 - 23 Jews in U.S. House of Representatives 5%

Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.)
Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.)*
Howard Berman (D-Calif.)
Benjamin Cardin (D-Md.)
Peter Deutsch (D-Fla.)
Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.)
Bob Filner (D-Calif.)
Barney Frank (D-Mass.)
Martin Frost (D-Texas)
Sam Gejdensen (D-Conn.)
Benjamin Gilman (R-N.Y.)
Tom Lantos (D-Calif.)
Sander Levin (D-Mich.)
Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.)
Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.)
Steve Rothman (D-N.J.)
Bernard Sanders (I-Vt.)
Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.)*
Brad Sherman (D-Calif.)
Norman Sisisky (D-Va.)
Henry Waxman (D-Calif.)
Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.)*
Robert Wexler (D-Fla.)

1998 List of some of the Jewish US Ambassadors

:

Germany:

Ambassador John C Kornblum Germany has long been seen as an adversary of the Jews Thus a Jewish Ambassador places them under direct Jewish pressure

France:

Ambassador Felix Rohatyn Rohatyn is a former partner in the Jewish Lazard Freres investment bank In September the French oil company, "Total," invested $2 billion in the production of oil in Iran Rohatyn is seeking to Veto this project due to Israel's hostility toward Iran Rohatyn said; "Globalization doesn't carry a threat, but it carries discipline"

Poland:

Ambassador Daniel Fried Chester Grabowski, editor of "The Polish Post Eagle", and others urged Clinton to name a Polish American This plea was ignored There has never been a Jew ambassador to Poland before as Jews hold an animosity toward Poles This is considered as a gross insult Regardless, Fried jokingly said: "I will now have to brush up on their language"

Denmark:

Ambassador Edward E Elson Dr Fields attended Marist High School in Atlanta with the Elson brothers He learned that their family made a fortune in the textile business and are big contributors to the Democratic Party

Hungary:

Ambassador Donald M Blinken This country has long been considered "anti-Semitic" Budapest has the largest Jewish population in Europe, some 125,000 Jews, only exceeded by Paris Thus Blinken can protect their financial interests

Romania:

Ambassador Alfred H Moses At one time Romania was ruled by an allJewish Communist Party under Anna Pauka Romania is closely allied with Israel Six members of the Rumanian Senate, three of them priests, objected to Clinton's 1994 appointment of Moses stating that he was closely connected to the fallen Communist Ceausescu regime

Belgium:

Ambassador Alan J Blinken Antwerp, Belgium is the diamond capital of the world next to Tel Aviv The diamond business is totally Jew-controlled Blinken is in a position to further protect their interests He is related to the Blinken ambassador to Hungary

Belarus:

Ambassador Kenneth S Yalowitz Belarus is located between Poland and Russia It once had a huge Jewish population They still have interests there

South Africa:

Ambassador James A Joseph The Jewish Oppenheimer family controls this gold mining capital of the world The Jewish-run South African Communist Party and the ANC now control the government and loyally do the bidding of the gold interests)

India:

Ambassador Frank G Wisner This economic powerhouse has long sided with the Arabs against Israel and needs more Zionist control

Turkey:

Ambassador Marc Grossman The "Kemalist" Turkey is the only Middle East border country with a military alliance with Israel They pose a threat to Syria and Iraq over long simmering border disputes Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a secret Jewish infiltrator! This explains the alliance between the Ataturk-influenced military regime in Turkey and the fraudulent and criminal state of Israel! This also explains the opposition of the "kmalian" junta against the rennaisance of Islam amongst the muslim people of Turkey!

New Zealand:

Ambassador Josiah H Beeman

Egypt:

Ambassador Daniel C Kurtzer Egypt is the recipient of the second largest amount of US foreign aid This is to "buy off" Israel's southern front Any hostility toward Israel would end the aid)

Sweden:

Ambassador Thomas L Siebert

Morocco:

Ambassador Marc C Ginsberg

Singapore:

Ambassador Timothy A Chorba

Zambia:

Ambassador Arlene Render

Brazil:

Ambassador Melvyn Levitsky This is South America's largest country and economic powerhouse Jews have huge investments here

Bolivia:

Ambassador Curt W Kamman This is another mineral rich country; copper, magnesium, lead, etc

Mexico:

Ambassador Jeffrey Davidow Davidow was formerly Assistant Secy Of State for South America under Albright Mexico sends the US more immigrants and trade than any other nation

Canada:

Ambassador Gordon Giffin Thus Clinton has given both our border neighbors, Mexico and Canada, to Jewish operatives

Cuba:

US Interest Head, Michael G Kozak One would think that this nation would have a Spanish Catholi "Interest Chief" instead of a Jew???

Norway:

Ambassador David B Hermelin Hermelin is a Michigan multi-millionaire real estate developer and president of the World Jewish ORT Union Re owns Palace Sports and Entertainment, "The Palace" of Auburn Hills and the "Pine Knob Music Theater"

Switzerland:

Ambassador Madeleine M Kunin Kunin is the former Democratic governor of Vermont Her four children attended a Hebrew school The New York Times of Oct 4, 1997 says she, "doggedly pursues the Swiss on the issue of gold for holocaust survivors"

List of the Jews in President Clintons First Administration

NAME POSITION

Albright, Madeleine K US Ambassador to the UN

Altman, Roger Deputy to Secretary Bentson

Baird, Zoe Attorney General (Declined Post)

Berger, Samuel National Security Deputy Head

Boorstin, Robert Communications Aide

Boykin, Keith Communications Aide

Dreyer, David Communications Aide

Eisenstat, Stuart E Asst Secretary of State: Security

Eller, Jeff Communications Aide

Feder, Judith Advisor to Secretary of Health

Gober, Hershel Asst Secty for Veterans' Affairs

Herman, Alexis Secty to President: Public Works

Kantor, Mickey US Trade Representative

Klain, Ron Third White House Counsel

Kunin, Madeleine Assistant Secretary of Education

Kusnet, David Communications Aide

Lewis, Samuel Director of Strategy

Ludwig, Eugene A Director of the Mint (Jew of course)

Magaziner, Ira Cheif Advisor: Security Questions

Newman, Frank N Asst Secretary of State: Finance

Nussbaum, Bernard White House Counsel

Oxman, Stephen A Asst Secretary of State: Europe

Paster, Howard Presidential Secty for Congress

Pena, Federico F Secretary of Transportation

Rahm, Emanuel Presidential Secty Political Affairs

Reich, Robert Secretary of Labor

Rivlin, Alice Deputy Director: OMB

Rubin, Robert E Head: Counsel Economic Advisors

Segal, Eli Director: Office of Nat'l Service

Seidman, Ricki Communications Aide (Research)

Schifter, Richard US Ambassador to Israeli

Spero, Joan Edelman Asst Secty State: Econ Affairs

Summers, Lawrence H Asst Secty State for Policy

Tarnoff, Peter Asst Secty State: Pol Affairs

Waldman, Michael Communications Aide

Article from the American Jewish magazine "Jewish Post", 16/9-1992:

Clinton Advisers: 5 of 7 are Jewish

NEW YORK - Of the seven advisers on whom Gov Clinton relies, at least five are Jewish and perhaps six

They are Robert Reich, 45, a professor of Harvard's John F Kennedy School of Government; Ira Magaziner, 45, president of SJS, Inc; Robert J Shapiro, 42, vice president of the Progressive Policy Institute; Samuel R Berger, 46, former deputy director of the State Department policy planning staff; and Michael Mandelbaum, 45, professor and director of American foreign policy studies at the Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University

The following is a list (which doesn't include lower staff levels) of Jews in the present Clinton adminstration: (1/4/1998)

Madeleine Albright Secretary of State

Robert Rubin Secretary of Treasury

William Cohen Secretary of Defense

Dan Glickman Secretary of Agriculture

George Tenet CIA Chief

Samuel Berger Head National Security Council

Evelyn Lieberman Deputy Chief of Staff

Stuart Eizenstat Under Secretary of State

Charlene Barshefsky US Trade Representative

Susan Thomases Aide to First Lady

Joel Klein Assistant Attorney General

Gene Sperling National Economic Council

Ira Magaziner National Health Care

Peter Tarnoff Deputy Secretary of State

Alice Rivlin Ecomomic Advisory

Janet Yellen Chairwoman, National Economic Council

Rahm Emanuel Policy Advisor

Doug Sosnik Counsel to President

Jim Steinberg Deputy to National Security Chief

Jay Footlik Special Liason to the Jewish Community(no other group has a special liason)

Robert Nash Personal Chief

Jane Sherburne President's Lawyer

Mark Penn Asia Expert to NEC

Sandy Kristoff Health Care Chief

Robert Boorstin Communications Aide

Keith Boykin Communications Aide

Jeff Eller Special Assistant to Clinton

Tom Epstein Health Care Adviser

Judith Feder National Security Council

Richard Feinberg Assistant Secretary Veterans

Hershel Gober Food and Drug Administration

Steve Kessler White House Counsel

Ron Klein Assistant Secretary Education

Madeleine Kunin Communications Aide

David Kusnet Dept AIDS Program

Margaret Hamburg Dir Press Conferences

Many Grunwald Liason to Jewish Leaders

Karen Adler Dir State Dept Policy

Samuel Lewis National Security Council

Stanley Ross National Security Council

Dan Schifter Director Peace Corps

Eli Segal Deputy Chief of Staff

Alan Greenspan Chairman of Federal Reserve Bank

Robert Weiner Drug Policy Coordinator

Jack Lew Deputy Director Management and Budget

James P Rubin Under Secretary of State

David Lipton Under Secretary of The Treasury

Lanny P Breuer Special Counsel to The President

Richard Holbrooke Special Representative to NATO

Kenneth Apfel Chief of Social Security

Joel Klein Deputy Whlte Honse Counsel

Sidney Blumenthal Speclal Advisor to Pirst Lady

David Kessler Chief of Food & Drug Adininistration

Seth Waxman Acting Solicitor General

Mark Penn Presidential Pollster

Dennis Ross Special Middle East Representative

Howard Shapiro - General Counsel for the FBI

Lanny Davis White House Special Counsel

Sally Katzen Secretary of Management and Budget

Kathleen Koch Heads FBI Equal Opportunity Office

John Podesta Deputy Chief of Staff

Alan Blinder Vice Chairman of Federal Reserve

Janet Yellen Heads Council of Economlc Advisors

Ron Klain Chief of Staff for Al Gore

Edited by - saintsatan on 17 July 2002 23:46:8

The wailing wall of the Jews

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Clinton Advisers: 5 of 7 are Jewish

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