If Women were elders, would it make a difference in the organization?
by John Aquila 31 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Billy ex Blaze
The sisters are just as nasty as the brothers so I think it would be the same. -
_Morpheus
Rotfl outlaw summed it for me -
DATA-DOG
Seriously, there was a extremely successful matriarchal society in ancient Egypt. It's purposely swept under the rug, like most other matriarchal societies.
When you were little, who kissed your "ouchies/boo-boos" the most? Mommy or Dad? If you seriously F'd up, who would you rather poor your heart out too?
Even the GB want a matriarch, they just won't admit it. They call themselves the "bride" of Christ, and the ORG is called "Mother."
As weird as it seems, all men want the protection/comfort/love of a woman on some level. After all, it's how we got here.
Old Rutherfraud was a mysogynist xian who continued the deceit of the patriarchal society.
DD
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John Aquila
and the ORG is called "Mother."
Or Mother Fu*****
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Londo111
As long as elders have to follow the Flock book, rather than their own conscience, gender doesn't make much of a difference. -
Hold Me-Thrill Me
Yes, sister elders would make a huge difference.
They would be strong keepers of Organizational law. Their natural ability to read faces and body language and their pointed verbal skills would put more of us in hot water than ever before.
I can think of one lady that would make a good elder and should that ever happen then -brothers beware- a woman has entered the ranks- run for the hills! ;)
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Village Idiot
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. - 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 New International Version
3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. - 1 Corinthians 11:3-6 New International Version
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sparrowdown
When is everyone going to get it. It would make no difference what gender the elders were.
The elders are just the goons, the henchmen, the minions for the despicable GB, they could be male, female or transgender, be hot or fugly makes no difference at the end of the day they would still have to enforce the same rules and represent the same org.
The problem is and always has been the poisonous barrel not the color of the apples inside.
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disposable hero of hypocrisy
Great. I'm in a public place and now I've got an erection.
Thanks for that.
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OrphanCrow
sparrowdown: When is everyone going to get it. It would make no difference what gender the elders were.....they would still have to enforce the same rules and represent the same org.
I disagree, Sparrow. The rules would not be the same.
As it stands now, the rules are misogynistic to the extreme and promote the hatred and disrespect of women.
If women were 'allowed' to be elders, the rules would be different. The rules would be changed such that women would have a voice and personal autonomy. And with that change, would be a reduction in the numbers of child abuse and sexual assault that currently run rampant inside of the organization.
As it stands now, it is not just the women who are being disadvantaged, it is also the men, who develop ignorant and abusive tactics to bolster their own feelings of sexual inadequacy, that are victimized as well. Without a healthy understanding of sexuality, men resort to immature and inappropriate displays of sexual frustration.
If women were elders, it would change the whole structure of the organization - a structure that in its current form fosters the sexual exploitation of women.
I say "yes" - make women elders. And watch the rate of child sexual abuse drop. It is the lack of respect for women and children, combined with the sense of entitlement given to the men, that is responsible for the high rate of sexual abuse within the organization. The men are taught that women don't have the right to say no - women are seen as not having the right of consent and by extension, children have no rights, either.
As long as women have no voice within the JWs, child sex abuse will continue to run rampant within the organization. It is the WTS' misogynistic attitudes that are primarily responsible for the women and children being subjected to abuse.