by silent 19 Replies latest jw friends
I just realized that all these dates that the bOrg have said the end would come on or by and then it didn't happen, have stumbled me. Why such a fascination and trying to divine the answer from scripture when scripture plainly says only the Father knows the day and the hour? By their predictions, they actually sent many Christians on the path of date-based worship insted of faith-based worship.
If they have stumbled me, then who is reponsible for that?
Also this warning that Jesus said would happen in the last days:
8 And He said, “See to it that you are not misled; for many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not go after them.
The very fact that you have now realized this, shows that you are
havent stumbled, you have regained your balance.
Don't waste too much time playing the blame game
just move on to the next WT myth and debunk it.
Hey hey hey, that's old light! They have adjusted their understanding as Jehovah has made the light brighter. It is important not to serve Jehovah with a date in mind. Don't be stumbled, continue to run this race with endurance. The end is imminent!! Advertise, Advertise, Advertise
Remember the dates created by the WTS. 1874, 1914, 1925 , 1975 were created by men's own time schedule produced by those men who ran and operated a publishing house.
Jesus himself condemn the speculative setting of dates by man and admonished the men who he was speaking to concerning the exacting time.
So making up any self imposed calculation is directly disobeying Jesus.
When its realized that these doctrines were given out by men who were operating a publishing house, is it too irrational to think they were driven by the
desire to proliferate their publications ?
Harold Camping from the Family Ministries in the States also made specific dates, he too had books and a radio show to sell and promote.
Then get up.
Good Scripture! Im gonna use this on a bible study when Im with an elder or something ;)
If they have stumbled me, then who is reponsible for that?
The Bethel leadership. And that is also where all the classic apostasies form in history, starting with Israel and Jerusalem—APOSTASY principle and prophecy is about APOSTATES IN THE CENTRAL MINISTERIAL LEADERSHIP.
Make no mistake or allowance of diversion of "apostasy" to yourself or others, BETHEL IS WHERE THE TOP MODERN APOSTATES LIVE AND PROFIT.
But in the progressive development of apostasy, they are ALSO creating a deceptive mindset in Jehovah's witnesses and others "to the effect Jehovah's day is here". That is they are hyping a premature "the end" DELUSION. This is not insignificant, it is actually a principle required signal of apostasy.
Thus that earmark is the FIRST symptom Paul spoke of in 2Thessalonians 2:1-2, that signal is preaching " the end", as if it is going to come prematurely, and that presumption by the "error" humans could predict it.
Which as you plainly show the Bible plainly shows, no man is going to know the day or hour, they are not even going to know the year, imo. At Bethel that scripture has no relevance, their opinion is what has gone wild. (as you are aware I assume, many scriptures have no relevance to Bethel, but in the process their own manmade contrary principles is what gets applied. That is called "set in opposition" progressively to terminal condition)
So Bethel glosses over things that encourage people to doubt single sentence Bible principles of great importance, and by that they are a central apostate thinking formation, if they are training people to doubt and discredit things Christ said and prophets were inspired to say; then yes Bethel is the apostasy. And that was what Paul was getting at at 2Thessalonians 2:3-4.
And most people go there to 2Thessalonians 2:3-4 too quickly to the "apostasy and the man of lawlessness", when we note in 2Thess2:-2 they must also be teaching: "as though from us" (claiming to be apostles, like Bethel) "TO THE EFFECT the day of Jehovah is here".
Now OBVIOUSLY Bethel is claiming to be modern "apostles" and the "mouthpiece of God", and OBVIOUSLY they hype "the end" way too premature of global progress to complete world government, so OBVIOUSLY Bethel is who meets ALL THREE CRITERIA of 2Thessalonians 2:1-4 and that RIGHT NOW and it has been forming for a while, like Paul said the apostasy "mystery" has been "already at work" in that principle that repeats.
This means Bethel's apostasy is not an overnight development, although many wake up like that, it has been "gradually given over" progressively. (Dan8:12) And it has a source. (Dan11:32a)
It is hidden in plain sight and thus hard to see at first, especially when enveloped in the Bethel smokescreen billowing from the congregations, the deeper in a person is, the harder it is to see Bethel is blatant apostasy. Those out from the spiritual fog zone are the ones who can look in and see clearly that Bethel is the apostasy they are trying to divert attention of to other distractions. And it is IN the leadership, and they are the root cause of MILLIONS of stumbled potential and veteran "sheep", and many people in general.
And JWs will not see or admit their ministry is associated with massive Bethel global scale reproach. People aren't discussing theological differences, they are AWARE of ACTUAL Bethel global spiritual and literal criminal behavior and "sheep skin" veneered blatant racketeering. That is what is stumbling people, but Bethel plays it off as if "they have a goat-like attitude", when in fact many good people cannot stomach the Bethel CRIMES, as a MATTER OF CONSCIENCE.
Bethel simply ignores their own criminal record, like the UN NGO, and in so doing condones it and make it BETHEL POLICY. This is not mere "slip ups" and random accidents, this is Bethel policy, the apostasy is now part of the actual unseen charter and mission of the JW organization. That is called well organized apostasy. Bethel is a form of organized crime.
So make no error in discernment, Bethel carries very real and enormous ACTUAL guilt, not just against God and Christ, but against anointed and all Christians, and all mankind. Bethel is a spiritual crime against humanity, because all those "little things" JWs are focused on in others, have "piled up clear to heaven" in the Bethel system where JWs forget to look.
Bethel is not in a good condition, and worse they hide it, systematize it and are justifying it, they condone their own brazen lawlessness and global stumbling campaign, blaming everyone else for their own truly apostate condition.
(Matt24:15). In Bethel's case it is THEY themselves who are a principle of the "disgusting thing" and main apostasy on earth. But, no doubt, that UN NGO is not some innocent library card, it is an endorsement. In any case, imo, fleeing the JW org is good advice. Don't flee God, Christ, faith and the Bible, but flee the slick "smooth word" (Dan11:32a) Bethel apostate system.
JWs are now preaching a "different sort of good news" from what they even originally started out trying to be. Bethel is even apostaste from their own ministry, not just the Bible. They are the pot and the kettle, they fit Revelation 8:10-11 in their own house and burnt out "lamp". They are the main spiritual "burnouts" on earth today. (Job18)
"If they have stumbled me, then who is reponsible for that?"
JW answer: You yourself, for you are weak enough to be stumbled
Take responsibility for your own beliefs.
Don't hand it off to anyone else.
Believe whatever you want but work it out for yourself.
