I agree Dozy!
The latest mag (not sure if it is a wt or awake) with the made up "conversation with a neighbour" is certainly one of the dumbest pieces of writing I have ever seen in a mag!
Awake January 2015: How did life begin? - More misquotes
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OneEyedJoe
I want to show EVERY witness I know...but how can I do that without revealing how I found out the truthful info???
Stuckinarut -
Here's what you say - you're interested in scientific topics but when you watch TV shows or read articles or whatever about biology, they always push their atheist agenda and act like evolution is a proven fact. So when you saw this article, you excitedly read it but it was too brief for you. The quotes from respected scientific literature that they included piqued your interest so you did a quick google search in a desire to hear more about how evolution is false from these scientists. What you found, though deeply disturbed (or stumbled) you....then show the quotes in their source.
Depending on how in-depth you want to get, you can then direct them to:
Job 13:7-11 - in these verses being deceptive, even if it's in defense of god, is condemned
2011 yearbook p13 - this is taken from jwfacts' article on misquotes/deception/lies and is a quote that explains how much effort the writing department puts into presenting only accurate material
2001 Yearbook p80 - this is an article in which the WTS specifically condemns quoting out of context when it's used against them (hypocrite much?)
w03 1/1 p27 - another specific condemnation of quoting out of context, even associates the practice with Satan.
w11 2/15 p19 - again, a condemnation of quoting out of context (you might want to avoid this one, though, since they claim that apostates quote out of context, and when you're challenging the WTS it might not be a good idea to bring up the topic of apostates)
This is what I plan to do with my wife, and possibly father-in-law. It's easily plausible that you found this information on your own with no help from apostates.
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enlarged postate
SOME might assume that a scientifically-minded person would pick “evolution” and that a religious person would pick “creation.” But not always.
Rama Singh, professor of biology at Canada’s McMaster University, says: “The opposition to evolution goes beyond religious fundamentalism and includes a great many people from educated sections of the population.”
end-of-quote in Awake
Actual Rama quote however continues:
...who may not be logically opposed to evolution nevertheless do not accept it. This is because the process of and the evidence for evolution are invisible to a nonspecialist, or the theory may look too simple to explain complex traits to some, or because people compare evolution against God and find evolutionary explanations threatening to their beliefs. Considering how evolution affects our lives, including health and the environment to give just two examples, [u]a basic course in evolution should become a required component[/u] of all our college and university educational systems.
Then the article continues by naming a "Gerard", professor of Entomology. His last name is not mentioned anywhere, although he is referenced THREE times in this article. They may as well call him "Andre".
And what I mention here is just the tip of the iceberg. Anyone slightly educated in Evolution will blast this Awake to pieces. Google may be my friend, but certainly not that of the WTBTS.
Nothing new to see here. WTBTS has been misquoting, selectively quoting, out of context quoting, and outright misrepresenting statements by scientists on the subject of evolution as long as I've been alive. This is just more of the same. This was the one subject that first got me thinking something was not quite right with Watchtowerism. ...and when you can question one thing, it opens the door to begin questioning other things...and by the time you're done, well, you're done with THEM.
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poopsiecakes
Great find, AnnOMaly!
The entire set of articles in this magazine is weasely. The opening question is ridiculous because the study of evolution is a different field from the study of origin of life and it just gets more and more manipulative.
Another Gerard quote:
Gerard, mentioned earlier in this series of articles, came to a similar conclusion. Despite his advanced education and his career in entomology, he said: “I saw no proof that life arose spontaneously from nonliving matter. The order and complexity of living things convinced me that there has to be an Organizer and Designer.”
So he saw no proof that life arose spontaneously...how interesting. I suppose he expected to be out in the forest with his magnifying glass and witness a mushrooom turn into a spider and when that never happened, well obviously there's a designer with a capital D out there. Good lord.
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OneEyedJoe
So he saw no proof that life arose spontaneously...how interesting. I suppose he expected to be out in the forest with his magnifying glass and witness a mushrooom turn into a spider and when that never happened, well obviously there's a designer with a capital D out there. Good lord.
The ironic thing is that his assessment "I saw no proof that life arose spontaneously from nonliving matter" is actually a pretty good summation of the argument for evolution! Isn't it the bible that asserts that life (adam) arose spontaneously from nonliving matter (dirt)? The evidence is pretty strong that a very simple form of "life" (that we might not even call life where we to see it today) arose gradually from observed chemical processes that occurr when energy is pumped into an environment similar to primordial earth. I hardly think that something that took 500 million years (after the end of the late heavy bombardment) could be considered as happening "spontaneously." The subsequent 3 Billion or so years of evolution that it took to get us to our current level of biodiversity and complexity is even less spontaneous. The only one that asserts that life arose spontaneously is the creationist saying that god just did it one day.
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poopsiecakes
The subsequent 3 Billion or so years of evolution that it took to get us to our current level of biodiversity and complexity is even less spontaneous. The only one that asserts that life arose spontaneously is the creationist saying that god just did it one day.
Totally! It's a complete inability to realize that millions and billions of years is a long ass time. And what about the designer with a capital D? Always been there, or was also created by a designer with a bigger capital D?
This article goes over the top with their somes - 'some scientists', 'some people', 'what some say'...
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scoobydont
This is defintely one to follow !
Thanks to the poster.
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Phizzy
When you see the underhanded way the JW org has to try to defend its position, quote mining, then using a JW as though he were an independent authority, you realise that they are a bunch of cold-hearted manipulators. They are aware that there stance is total rubbish, or they would not use quote-mining and subterfuge.
They have no interest whatsoever in presenting or leading people to the truth, that is the truth about anything.
Now, tell me again, who is the Father of the Lie ?
You never need to lie about the Truth.
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Frazzled UBM
You guys are so cute getting worked up about this. I find it surprising that you find this so surprising. The WBTS is committing a massive fraud - that is obtaining an advantage through deception. They have been doing it for nigh on 100 years. What you have uncovered up is nothing short of standard practice. That is not to denigrate the good work in showing how brazen it is but my guess is that WBTS publicatioons are riddled with this sort of intellectual dishonesty. If they were a commercial organsation they would have been indicted for conspiracy to defraud a long time ago.
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poopsiecakes
You're absolutely right, Frazz!
How the hell do they keep getting away with it and how are people so easily manipulated is what I find particularly fascinating. Especially because so many truly (otherwise) intelligent people are taken in by it and continue to gobble it up. Just fascinating.