Some Ideas About Reincarnation/Rebirths/Past Lives And DNA

by frankiespeakin 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    The Subject has got me wondering.

    They say Buddha when he got enlightened under the the Bodhi tree after vowing not to stop meditating untill he reached his goal/enlightenment.Durring this momentous time he experienced a billion past lives.

    What I'm thinking is that these people that experience this type of enlightenment are reading thier junk DNA, which is a file of their evolutionary past that is encoded in the turned off genes of junk DNA which is really a step by step recording of our evolutionary past that gets turned on briefly durring our formation in the womb from a one celled organism to a new born baby.

    So I think just as their is an evolutionary process to build a human being starting from conception to a fully grown human built into our DNA filing system that gets turned on durring conception, and that this proceess is what one is experiencing when one like the Buddha meditates himself into an altered state of conciousness and has the experience of having lived many past lives.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Some of my ideas on the subject come from reading different articles on psychological imprinting:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-circuit_model_of_consciousness

    The eight-circuit model of consciousness is a theory proposed by Timothy Leary and expanded on by Robert Anton Wilson andAntero Alli. The model describes eight circuits of information (eight "brains") that operate within the human nervous system. Each circuit is concerned with a different sphere of activity.

    The lower four, the larval circuits, deal with normal psychology, while the upper four, the stellar circuits, deal with psychic, mystical,enlightened and psychedelic states of mind. These higher circuits are thought to have only recently evolved, with just a fraction of human beings using them. The higher the circuit, the fewer people have activated it. Leary describes the four larval circuits as necessary for surviving and functioning in a terrestrial human society. Leary proposed that the higher four exist primarily for future use by humans who might someday migrate to outer space and live extraterrestrially.

    Leary, Alli and Wilson have written about the model in depth and how each circuit operates, both in the lives of individual people and in societies.

    The term "circuits" came from the first wave of cybernetics research and development in the United States in the 1970s. (Others [weasel words] have proposed that the term "systems" should be substituted for "circuits" to reflect both a systems theory approach and also the changing anatomy of an entity as it goes through a neurological change).

    Each successive circuit represents a more complex phase of evolution. In line with recapitulation theory, the model applies equally to the evolution of an individual organism and the evolution of the whole tree of life. Each neurological circuit provides a new cognitive function (whether or not the organism is aware of the circumstances that led to its activation).

    . The neuroelectric or metaprogramming circuit [ edit ]
    Note: Timothy Leary lists this circuit as the sixth, and the neurogenetic circuit as the seventh. [10] Robert Anton Wilson reverses the order of these two circuits, [11] so that the neurogenetic circuit is the sixth and the metaprogramming circuit is the seventh.

    This circuit is concerned with re-imprinting and re-programming all earlier circuits and the relativity of “realities” perceived. The sixth circuit consists of the nervous system becoming aware of itself. Leary says this circuit enables telepathic communication and is activated by low-to-moderate doses of LSD (50-150 µg), moderate doses of peyote, and psilocybin mushrooms. This circuit is traced by Leary back to 500 BC.

    7. The neurogenetic or morphogenetic circuit [ edit ]

    This circuit is the connection of the individual's mind to the whole sweep of evolution and life as a whole. It is the part of consciousness that echoes the experiences of the previous generations that have brought the individual's brain-mind to its present level.

    It deals with ancestral, societal and scientific DNA-RNA-brain feedbacks. Those who achieve this mutation may speak of past lives, reincarnation, immortality etc. [12] It corresponds to the collective unconscious in the models of Carl Jung [13] where archetypes reside.

    Activation of this circuit may be equated with consciousness of the Great God Pan in his aspect as Life as a whole, or with consciousness of Gaia, the biosphere considered as a single organism. [14]

    This circuit is activated by regular doses of LSD (200-500 µg), higher doses of peyote, higher doses of psilocybin mushrooms, yoga and meditation.

    The circuit first appeared among the Hindus in the early first millennium and later reappeared among the Sufi sects.

    8. The psychoatomic or quantum non-local circuit (Overmind) [ edit ]

    The eighth circuit is concerned with quantum consciousness, non-local awareness (information from beyond ordinary space-time awareness which is limited by the speed of light), illumination. Some of the ways this circuit can get activated are: the awakening of kundalini, shock, a near-death experience, etc. This circuit has even been compared to the Buddhistconcept of Indra's net from the Avatamsaka Sutra. Leary felt this circuit could be activated by DMT, high doses of LSD (1,000+ µg), and high but sub-anesthetic doses of ketamine.

    Leary's formulation [ edit ]

    Although Leary propounded the basic premise of eight "brains" or brain circuits, he was inspired by sources such as the Hindu chakra system.

    His most direct inspiration was received in the form of a document from a student of yoga, a pamphlet containing 24 different pages, with three-page subdivisions each corresponding to a particular yogic "energy". [15] Leary then translated this and expanded it into a 24-stage model of evolution, and eventually streamlined it into the eight-circuit model of consciousness. With this, Leary created his umbrella model which others have expanded on.

    As one grows from infancy, the circuits are activated in turn, as described by Jean Piaget. Leary thought that the first four circuits reside in the left hemisphere of the brain or thecerebrum. The later four were said to reside in the right hemisphere.

    An under-utilized “lower” circuit hinders the complete expression of a “higher” circuit. It would thus become necessary for a person to fully experience, integrate, and embody the survival circuits, in order to withstand the shock that accompanies the activation of the post-survival circuits.

    One observation based on this model is about perceived “entities” such as angels, extraterrestrials, deities, etc. These may be archetypal and appear subject to interpretation.

    Leary claimed that among other things this model explained the social conflict in the 1960s, where the mainstream was said to be those with four circuits active and characterized by Leary as tribal moralists and clashed with the counter-culturists, who were then said to be those with five or more circuits active and characterized as individualists and hedonists.

    Leary's first book on the subject, Neurologic, only included seven circuits when it was published in 1973. Exo-Psychology, published in 1977, expanded the number of circuits to eight and clarified the subject; it was re-published as revised by Timothy Leary with additional material in 1989 under the title Info-Psychology (New Falcon Publishing).

    Leary theorized that until recently in human development these higher circuits have remained dormant within the brain. [citation needed] .

    Other authors on the eight circuits [ edit ]

    Leary's ideas heavily influenced the work of Robert Anton Wilson. Wilson's book Prometheus Rising is an in-depth work documenting Leary's eight-circuit model of consciousness. Wilson's published screenplay Reality Is What You Can Get Away With also uses and explains the model.

    Wilson, like Leary, wrote about the distinction between terrestrial and post-terrestrial life. He gave each circuit a much more specific location in various regions of the brain than Leary did.

    In chaos magic the eight circuits are related to the eight rays of the symbol of chaos

    The model is fairly prominent in chaos magic. This concept has been detailed in "Chaotopia!" by Dave Lee, a leading member of the magic society Illuminates of Thanateros. Although both Leary and Wilson were members in this group near the end of their lives, the circuit design clearly predates this organization.

    Angel Tech by Antero Alli, is structured around the eight-circuit model. In the book, the first four circuits are associated with robotic ("tech") aspects of humanity, and the final four are related to the "angelic" nature. It includes suggested activities such as meditations and construction of tarot-card collages associated with each circuit.

    Rolf Von Eckartsberg also appears to have been influenced by the model. [16] [17]

    Bruce Scofield has written about the correlations of the mode with astrology. Resonances between planetary cycles and the birthday are suggested to be triggers that open temporary windows of imprint vulnerability. The Moon is correlated with the biosurvival period, Mars with the emotional-territorial stage, Mercury with the rational mind and Venus with the socio-sexual stage. These are initiated respectively at birth, at the second birthday, at age 3.5 and age 8 at which times the Moon, Mars, Mercury and Venus return to their birth positions, or are in phase with it. The other four circuits are considered octaves of the first four. [18]

    See also [ edit ]

  • cofty
    cofty

    junk DNA, which is a file of their evolutionary past that is encoded in the turned off genes of junk DNA which is really a step by step recording of our evolutionary past that gets turned on briefly durring our formation in the womb from a one celled organism to a new born baby.

    None of that is in any way supported by facts.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    That is true. It is kind of a wispy subject, with very little factual evidence, only hear say, repeated stories, mental observations, and some circumstantial evidence.

    But non the less, I have a sneaky suspision that these "genuine" reincarnation experiences for lack of a better term may have their experience from some type of higher conciousness ability that can read the DNA record of our evolutionary past which just might be encoded in Junk DNA. Be coming conscious of this phenomena might explain the past lives review that goes on once one has reach a certain altered state thu meditation or some other [ractice.

  • Witness My Fury
    Witness My Fury

    I would say you appear to have avoided all threads about critical thinking in the past 11 years.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Frankie - I didn't just mean that your ideas are unsuppoted by facts, I meant that your ideas are contradicted by facts.

    Our life experiences do not alter the content of our genome.

    ("epigenetics" do not change this fact)

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Reaching enlightenment, hearing the voice of God/Jesus/past lives/etc, contact with the spirit world, yadda yadda yadda- I will boldly declare that none of this stuff is due to what is in our DNA. It's a brain thing typically coupled with a person's already strongly-held beliefs. It's not triggered by DNA as if it's a genetic code locked in, similar to modern humans still having more primitive traits locked into their DNA.

    There is theory that our DNA contains the memories of our ancestors to some degree. So I am not minimizing your thoughts. I just strongly disagree. Memory is a complex brain function that the cells cannot carry. The cells can pass on traits, but you won't be able to "remember" where you got them from by looking into the cells. Sure- our appearance, health, IQ, aptitutes, musical and athletic skills, emotions, and maybe our psychological stability (or lack thereof) can be contained in our DNA, but I don't think we can tap into the lives of ancestors who added to the DNA. That's pretty much the plot of the movie ALTERED STATES.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    I don't think that is absolutly true. The changes may not be in the DNA squencing but their may be other factors that effect how the squences get expressed.

    Also if the Buddha experienced a tremendous amont of former lives, I'm sure it wasn't a very detailed experience where everything that happened to the past lives was being experienced by him in this altered state, like their was some type of recording and play back of all these lives but merely some tid bits of past lives of his ansestors that led up to his formation.

    And so the Buddha interpeted this vision as best he could with what knowledge was availible at the time to an ascetic like himself. Which would make him conclude that he had many lives in the past which could technically be true in the form of the DNA filing system.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_memory_(psychology)

    In psychology, genetic memory is a memory present at birth that exists in the absence of sensory experience, and is incorporated into the genome over long spans of time. [1] It is based on the idea that common experiences of a species become incorporated into its genetic code, not by a Lamarckian process that encodes specific memories but by a much vaguer tendency to encode a readiness to respond in certain ways to certain stimuli.

    Genetic memory is invoked to explain the racial memory postulated by Carl Jung. In Jungian psychology, racial memories are posited memories, feelings and ideas inherited from our ancestors as part of a "collective unconscious". [2

    Language, in the modern view, is considered to be only a partial product of genetic memory. The fact that humans can have languages is a property of the nervous system that is present at birth, and thus phylogenetic in character. However, perception of the particular set of phonemes specific to a native language only develops during ontogeny. There is no genetic predisposition towards the phonemic makeup of any single language. Children in a particular country are not genetically predisposed to speak the languages of that country, adding further weight to the assertion that genetic memory is not Lamarckian. [1]

    Genetic memory and trauma, phobias and neuropsychiatric disorders[ edit ]

    Neuroscientific research on mice suggests that some experiences can influence subsequent generations. In a study, [3] [4] mice trained to fear a specific smell passed on their trained aversion to their descendants, which were then extremely sensitive and fearful of the same smell, even though they had never encountered it, nor been trained to fear it.......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbPwzII_g6o

    http://themindunleashed.org/2014/01/scientists-found-memories-may-passed-generations-dna.html

    New research from Emory University School of Medicine, in Atlanta, has shown that it is possible for some information to be inherited biologically through chemical changes that occur in DNA. During the tests they learned that that mice can pass on learned information about traumatic or stressful experiences – in this case a fear of the smell of cherry blossom – to subsequent generations.

    According to the Telegraph, Dr Brian Dias, from the department of psychiatry at Emory University, said: ”From a translational perspective, our results allow us to appreciate how the experiences of a parent, before even conceiving offspring, markedly influence both structure and function in the nervous system of subsequent generations.

    “Such a phenomenon may contribute to the etiology and potential intergenerational transmission of risk for neuropsychiatric disorders such as phobias, anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder.”

    This suggests that experiences are somehow transferred from the brain into the genome, allowing them to be passed on to later generations..........

  • What is Truth?
    What is Truth?

    Thank you Frankiespeakin for bravely sharing this great information.

    On recoding DNA-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_mutation notice the part about lactose

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D720rzuIuv8

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