Classic repost from AlltimeJeff; recently completely - Free!

by WingCommander 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • WingCommander

    I wanted to give this very public shout-out and congratulations to AlltimeJeff, who I have come to find out had turned in his letter of DA, twice, then was read out at the meeting recently. For those not knowing, ATF was a 2005 Gilead graduate, Bethelite, Missionary. Going thru Gilead was actually what truly "woke him up," as the following classic post from him below will show. I encourage any "Newbies" or "Lurkers" on here to read this, and really THINK about what he is saying about what he was "taught" at the Gilead school. In all honesty, I wish I had seen something like this 15-20 years ago. It is an absolutely startling look into what is really taught at the higher levels of this high-control group. He clearly describes how the "bait and switch" tactic is used once a newly interested person has been recruited. All credit and thanks should be directed to AlltimeJeff. I have reposted this from another friendly XJW forum, and hope that they don't mind as many members cross-post on a lot of these similar forums. - Wing Commander

    Here is his post........

    "Every now and then when I visit this forum, I feel an obligation to tell what I can and be supportive. Of course, my JW experience, esp the last 3 years of it leading up to Gilead, going to Africa, coming back and resigning from the group, has absolutely drained me to the point that I contribute when I can, but it isn't very much. It is very tiring for me, but also cathartic at the same time to come here and share what I can.

    It is in that spirit that I write this now, a desire to demystify JW's, those who leave, and the current doctrine that this group teaches, esp for those who are newly investigating this group for their own reasons.

    I was in the 119th class of Gilead in 2005. From the time I graduated, it was another year or so before I resigned. In that time, all the pieces came together.

    JW's are taught and conditioned to respect their visible leaders, even though they pay lip service to Jesus as their leader. I got to see the 'pecking' order, and after I graduated, briefly joined it. My status shot up to an all time high. I was respected, even loved, because I went to Gilead and went to Africa. I thought that would be nice, although when I actually went through it, it really offended me.

    Sorry for the above rambling/prelude. The whole point of this is how JW's use and understand the bible. You see, on a very fundamental, foundational level, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses (GB) don't use the bible the way JW's teach it at the door. I learned at Gilead that for the "mature" ones who "dine on solid spiritual food" (i.e. the highly indoctrinated zealots), the bible is all about "Christs brothers". Please note that when the Watchtower says "Christs brothers" they mean the GB. They mean the leadership. They mean, be obediant to us, or you will be diobediant to Jehovah... and his son, whats his name?? Jesus!

    It is little wonder that this is the last thing one learns as they start studying with JW's. It starts with paradise, living forever, Jehovah, Jesus, living a moral life, loving the congregation, replacing your family with the congregation, THEN, after you have developed some level of infatuation with this group and have undergone a sufficient amount of love bombing, you are introduced to the highly doubtable concepts of congregation authority, how Jehovah mysteriously rules through Jesus and this group of men Jesus inspected in 1918 and found them superior to every other Christian group on the planet.

    If you buy it, you want in, you get baptized. But remember, you are still new, still a babe, still "immature". All of this is code for: One who is not ready to really study and accept how the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses use the bible to their own self serving means.

    It means you are still a babe to the fact that JW's really teach that practically ALL "faithful" OT charecters from Noah and Abraham through Elijah and Elishah and David to Hezekiah are prophetic of the Presidents of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. The one I refer to the most is as an answer to one of the questions on a Gilead test, Elijah prophetically pointed to Judge Rutherford, Elisha pointed to N H Knorr. That is my favorite, that is when I realized I was mislead. But to be fair, JW's teach that most all of these characters refer to the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Governing Body. (GB)

    "Mature" JW's is a misnomer. It has nothing to do with maturity. That is code for "willingness to believe whatever you are taught, and to follow whatever the GB says, even if they change back and forth on doctrine in a god-dishonering fasion." Mature ones are impatient with the immature for questioning what they are taught. Mature ones become elders, ministerial servants and pioneers more quickly because they blindly obey. To question, esp after any period of time elapsing after baptism, means you are "immature".

    Of course, this is all so self serving within the group. Another layer of indoctrination and peer pressure to keep everyone in line. Gilead "taught" me this. I learned that within the GB world view, it is scriptural to be nutty about anything the WT says, but to leave your brother cold and miserable and naked if they disagree with a teaching or doctrine.

    I know that there are some who don't and won't believe what I just said. That is their right. There will always be some people who are susceptible to high control groups and cults. But to those who were raised as JW's, to those who for some reason accepted and bought a bill of goods that they found wasn't real, they should know the truth about "the truth". They should know how cynically the bible is used by the leadership of this group to their own ends.

    They should know that to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, the bible isn't about you. It isn't about Jehovah. It isn't about Jesus. Its all about them, the Governing Body, "Christs brothers", the Faithful and Discreet Slave. It's all about them, for them, and it is a sham. They are as prophetic as dead skin. THAT is what I learned at Gilead. THAT is what the bible is all about to the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    I welcome all who come on this forum, those in pain, those trying to improve after leaving, whether that be voluntarily or involuntarily. I don't comment much when you first come on, but my thoughts and best wishes are with you all." - AlltimeJeff

  • Frazzled UBM
    Frazzled UBM

    Fantastic post

  • never a jw
    never a jw

    I am sure I can agree with most, maybe all of what ATJ said. The problem is that it all sounds like opinion without supporting evidence. What makes Carl Olof Jonsson and Raymonfd Franz so reliable is that they offer supporting evidence for their claims. I know this is a brief discourse in an internet forum, and therefore I don't expect a book to be presented, but the specifics are missing.

  • nonjwspouse

    Wow, that was great

  • Muddy Waters
    Muddy Waters

    ..... marking, ty

  • Jon Preston
    Jon Preston

    I have to agree with never a jw on this....if inshowed this to my wife she would say "well thats an opinion im sure of someone who was offended by something the GB said or did".

  • Vanderhoven7

    Excellent post

  • Splash

    never a jw The problem is that it all sounds like opinion without supporting evidence.

    What's to disbelieve?

    One of the wackiest statements made in that post was about Elijah and Elisha foreshadowing Rutherford and Knorr.
    But you don't need to search far to see that it's a teaching of the WT:

    *** yb73 pp. 60-61 Brazil *** BEGINNING OF THE ELISHA PERIOD
    "Just as the work of Elijah the prophet came to its close and was succeeded by the zealous activity of Elisha his successor, so also, following a period of witnessing comparable to that of Elijah, a new push seemed to be given to the activities of the brothers here in Brazil. Though the death of Brother Rutherford, the second president of the Society, came as a shock to the brothers, their heavy hearts were lightened when they learned that Nathan H. Knorr had been appointed as the new president of the Society."

    Or maybe you disagree with his comments on being mature / immature?
    Again, going to a kingdom hall will provide you with the evidence for this also.


  • wasblind

    " The problem is that it all sounds like an opinion without supporting evidence " ___Never a jw



    1) Jw's are taught and conditioned to respect thier visible leaders____AllTimeJeff

    As in........ Listen, Obey, and be Blessed

    2) Jehovah's Witnesses (GB) don't see the Bible the way JW's teach it at the door_____AllTimeJeff

    As in.......No one should be made to choose between religion and family ___Awake July 2009

    3) They mean , be obedient to us, or you will be disobedient to Jehovah____AllTimeJeff

    As in....." Thus what is taught is not from men but from Jehovah "____WT Sept 15, 2010 para. 8 page 13

    4) I know that there are some who don't and won't believe what I just said___AllTimeJeff

    I believe you AllTimeJeff based on their own literature



  • snare&racket

    fantastic xxx here if you want to get in touch ATJ

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