Preparing for my next visit from my Elderette - Who (or what) is the Faithful & Discreet Slave, and why do JW's worship and follow a slave?

by Faithful Witness 19 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Faithful Witness

  If she sticks with the same routine, she is going to talk again about the analogy of a "jigsaw puzzle," and trynig to get a specific piece to fit just right. "It looks like it's the right piece, and it actually fits, but when I looked at it closer, I realized it was the wrong piece." I don't see her coming to a conclusion on this analogy, but merely using it as a method to confuse me.

  She also has made the comment about how "each person has to come to their own conclusion about what they believe..."

  When she says this, it does have some impact on me. Is this one of their learned techniques or standard lines that they use? Or did she come up with this one herself? I'm pretty sure the CO's wife also made a very similar comment to me.

  I have no response to that statement (at least not a kind one). I have a tendency to blurt out what I really think, so I will have to try to keep a gate on my mouth.

  I am curious to see who comes with her, if anyone. We will have some GS cookies and sliced Michigan apples for refreshments.
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  Oubliette

  FW: She also has made the comment about how "each person has to come to their own conclusion about what they believe..."

  Great. I conclude the WTBTS does NOT have the Truth. You've convinced me.

  Thanks, let's have some tea!
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  Dismissing servant

  "She also has made the comment about how "each person has to come to their own conclusion about what they believe..."

  Each person???? Does every JW have that freedom? Juse some year ago every single JW had to change the their belief about whio the FDS really is.
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  ABibleStudent

  Hi Faithful Witness, What do you think of the following counter arguments:

  Faithful Witness - she is going to talk again about the analogy of a "jigsaw puzzle," and trynig to get a specific piece to fit just right. "It looks like it's the right piece, and it actually fits, but when I looked at it closer, I realized it was the wrong piece." I don't see her coming to a conclusion on this analogy, but merely using it as a method to confuse me.

  Your jigsaw puzzles analogy can be used to solve problems using the scientific method of making systematic observations, measurements, and experiments, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses to determine if an hypothesis fits the facts/observations. Even an incorrect hypothesis can lead to the truth.

  Have you heard of the problem-solving principle of Ockham's razor - all things being equal the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions is usually the correct one? More complicated solutions may ultimately prove correct, but—in the absence of certainty—the fewer assumptions that are made, the better.

  Faithful Witness - "each person has to come to their own conclusion about what they believe..."

  I totally agree with you about each person must come to their own conclusions about what they believe. If I decide to become baptized as a JW, how would other JWs treat me if I change my mind and no longer believe that the WTBTS is "God's sole channel" or tell other JWs that the Watchtower is wrong about what they teach? [Have a copy of the "When Someone We Love Leaves Jehovah", 15 July 2011 Watchtower (Study Edition), page 30-32] Would you shun your children if they no longer believe that the WTBTS is "God's sole channel'? (pause wait for your elderette to respond) Don't you feel that shunning people or not associating with them just because they believe differently than you is contrary to God's two greatist commandments?

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  sarahsmile

  Well no jw has the right to come to their own conclusions. Again another lie!

  I noticed something else she said to make you feel close or to upen your mind up so she can use reasoning.

  For example on your last post she stated something that was false but you agreed. I been there before. Fast statement that sounds good so you say yes.

  When investigators or someone who wants to know more about you they are not going to go to you first!

  They willl asked your neighbors,family,and friends,co workers,and boss about you. They want to know if your a trust worthy person anything dealing with the issues.

  On that note you have insight into this lady visitor.

  FDS why not go to anoher source? WT quotes Josephus and Jewish encylopedia to prove truth. Maybe you should go to Russells and Rutherford books!

  She guided you into a question with pre expectation of your answer. In fact if you think back it sounds like she never gave you much of a choice.

  You wonder way your in a fog might not all be blood sugar it might be the dishonesty of the visitor. JW are trained and until someone disagrees with them they keep using the same stuff.

  Just let her know you want her to explain every option on the FDS. What other religion state!

  Also for fun!

  Do you have a black box? Why not make an ERA machine. box,black marker, words that say ERA on it!

  Put that on your table and ask her if she believes in channelling! just a joke.

  Wish you the best!

  I wrote ths without reading glasses!
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  Crazyguy

  Just read to her Matt chapter 5 or 6 where jesus says that we are not to exalt ourselves or judge others and that we should not call anyone a teacher. So just the fact that they are proclaiming that they are the F&DS disqualifies them because they are not doing what Jesus said. Then ask her what the word christ means and the word messiah means and shell say anointed. Then ask her if the F&DS claim they are anointed, yes they do so then show her luke 21:8 and say there you have it according to Jesus himself they can not ever be the F&DS because thier claim disqualifies them and also Jesus says point blank not to follow people that say they are "anointed" and that the 'time is near". GB double death, tell her you follow your true master Jesus so have a nice day.
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  sarahsmile

  Good job crazyguy! :-) Easy!
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  sarahsmile

  GS cookies and apple slices. Sound like you are so ready!
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  Faithful Witness

  Unfortunately, I am going to postpone the visit, due to a medical appointment I overlooked on the calendar.

  I will reschedule... I like the ideas here, and I'm glad to buy myself more time to feel more prepared, and less like I am at her mercy.

  Playing "hard to get" might give me a little more of an advantage anyway... I don't want to appear too anxious.

  Life happens. Hopefully she will understand.
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  sarahsmile

  Maybe you can change the topic. Bad association woukd be a good one! easy just read above the verse.

  Hope your appt turns out ok.

  Take care!