Once 'saved' always 'saved'.

punkofnice

In case I didn't mention it...I was born into the disgusting cult of the watchtower(R).

I left when I was as old as 50 and went to a Baptist Church, then when I moved house to Anglican and finally to a Pentecostal Church.

I now do not believe in 'god' of any variety. I do not believe because I see no obvious evidence for a 'god' and only see what people have made of 'god' in their delusions.

OK. So, the question: 'what if you're wrong?'

Well, I might be wrong about a lot but if QI and Mythbusters taught me anything it's not to be so gullible McFly! I need tested evidence for a 'god'.........so far zilch! I like Thor though!

My REAL question:

I was told that because I accepted Jesus as a born again Christian that I was 'saved' once and for all no matter what.

Now I'm an atheist am I still saved in the unlikely even that I'm wrong? If there is more than one answer then why hasn't 'god' made it so obvious that there should only be one answer?

punkofnice

cantleave

Jesus loves ya no matter what.

Well, thank...er.....er............Thor????? for that!?

The 'once saved, always saved' is but a clever advertizing claim. One is 'saved' by constantly keeping faith in Christ. It's a process, a constant flow. If one loses faith, salvation is witheld, and the individual must seek to re-establish his faith so that salvation can once again be attainable.

Romans 5:1 - " Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

2 Timothy 4:7 - " I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith."

Hebrews 11:6 - "And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him."

Matthew 10:22 - " But the one who endures to the end will be saved."

Matthew 10:33 - " But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."

Hebrews 6:11, 12 - " And we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness to have the full assurance of hope until the end, so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises."

Faith can become weak, faith can be lost. The loss of faith, if permanent, equates into the loss of salvation.

Hebrews 10:26 - " For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" Earlier, Paul described the lack [or loss] of faith as a sin.

Eden

galaxie

Saved?? From what?. Sin?.Follow the logic of sin all the way back and it originates with the supposed creator ie who gave the perfect creation which became satan the choice. There is no choice without a selection. Who provided the selection? Mmmm I wonder ?. So in my book god should be asking forgiveness from us for causing so much grief for mankind. That is if you believe all the crap!!!!

punkofnice

Eden - The 'once saved, always saved' is but a clever advertizing claim.

Thanks for that, that's one opinion I guess.

galaxie - god should be asking forgiveness from us

I couldn't agree more.

EdenOne

"saved" from a life alienated from God, resulting in not attaining eternal life as a "child of God" in heavens.

Basically, that's what 'salvation' from 'sin' is about.

What is God to apologize for?

Eden

DATA-DOG

Saved?? I thought you said," Once SLAVED, always SLAVED." That's what the GB believe about themselves, they even say the "Evil Slave" is hypothetical. So basically they have granted themselves salvation, they don't need permission from GOD.

Punk, maybe we are just supposed to figure things out for ourselves and be excellent to each other. Perhaps homosapiens have been given the chance to "evolve" into spiritually enlightened creatures??

DD

EdenOne

DD

Perhaps homo sapiens have been given the chance to "evolve" into spiritually enlightened creatures??

I couldn't summarize it any better.

Eden

galaxie

Eden I see you avoided the question of the ORIGIN of sin which is the fundamental reason for being saved .Why blame the perfect creations the angel which became satan or adam/eve what did the know about sin unless there was an example of it before hand. Therefore, the choice they had must have come from a selection they had NO knowledge of

Again I say who provided the original selection/example .Mmmm I wonder? AND when you come to the inevitable conclusion that it was god him/herself you have to then ask Why? Was it out of love for his perfect creations how good of him Wake up

Once 'saved' always 'saved'.

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