Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

by greenhornet 109 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • prologos
    prologos

    Daniel 1555: "I think they truly deserve our highest respect to go finally against the Hitler government."

    remember that Jws, in all warring countries went against participating in, contributing to the slaughter, a slaughter which was a struggle of Empires for domination, no matter what the embellishments seem to look like now.

    Was such heroic stand practical from an evolutionary perspective? not for those that died, but the one good example of a peaceful religion, Christianity in action. Too bad a shallow enterprise now use these true believers as their heroes.

    Hitler vs Rutherford? one overrated ego doing his spiel.
  • zeb
    zeb

    read while "6 million died by Arthur D. Morse.

    The wt could have used non-aligned countries and the US to remove all jw out of nazi lands and repatriated them into safety of the US. but didn't do so. My guess they wanted martyrs.. lives didn't matter.

  • greenhornet
    greenhornet
    This is very good intel here. is there a way to move this to the BEST OF area?
  • Mephis
    Mephis
    Richard Evans in The Third Reich in Power places the initial problem with JW beliefs re.politics and the fact that they were taking instructions from the USA. Problems with the Nazi state began from 1933 and gradually ramped up. However, things really got out of hand after the 1936 international convention at Lucerne and the leaflet campaign which followed in Germany.
  • jwleaks
    jwleaks

    Jehovah's Witnesses and the Third Reich

    JW LEAKS | Jehovah's Witnesses and the Third Reich

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow

    Rutherford didn't really "piss off Hitler".

    Hitler hated, and had nothing but contempt, for the Bible Students. Hitler had fought in the First World War and expressed his dislike of the evangelical soldiers who served on the front lines. He blamed them for reducing morale on the front lines. He speaks of this in Mein Kampf.

    Something that few JWs know is that the Bible Students in Germany donned the German uniform in WW1 - the German Watchtowers listed the Bible Students who served, and those who died, defending Germany. At the same time, the Watchtowers from other countries extolled the virtues of the Bible Students who refused to serve their countries.

    In 1925, Rutherford had a huge falling out with the German WT branch, resulting in Conrad Binkele splitting form the WTS, and taking a large number of German Bible Students with him. The German WT saw a great chism happen with few left to follow Rutherford's 'new' theology. (more about that later...)

    At the same time, trouble was brewing on American soil and the same thing happened - about 75% of the Bible Students left the WTS.

    And...another thing happened in 1925 - Hitler wrote Mein Kampf - the sales of which went to finance his new political party - the National Socialist Party. The book - Mein Kampf - was purported to have been read by anyone and everyone who had interest in world politics - many copies were given away to world leaders and people in politics.

    I have no doubt that Rutherford and others in the WTS read Mein Kampf. Their entire religion was based on political events and world conditions.

    Back to 1925 - it was around this time - the years between 1925 and 1931 - that Rutherford made a radical change in the WT doctrine. Very radical. Rutherford changed the doctrine that Russell had vigorously espoused for all the years he was the figurehead - the Zionist doctrine. Russell fully supported the return of the Jews to Palestine. It was an integral part of his theology.

    So, by the time that 1931 rolled around, the WT religion needed a new name - it was a very different doctrine that Rutherford introduced - replacement theology. The articles published in the WT that supported the Jews returning to Palestine were now replaced with the promise of the New Jerusalem being realized out in California - in Beth Sarim, the mansion that Rutherford built with the support of the Coca-Cola Heath family.

    In 1933, when Germany seized the printing presses of the German WT, Rutherford believed he had a solid case to make to Hitler to get the WT property returned (under conditions of the Versailles treaty that allowed American corporations to operate in Germany). The case he made in the letter to Hitler was based upon the assertion that the WT no longer was the same as the Bible Students - and it wasn't the same.

    The stories and events that have been recorded about the JWs in WW2 are conflicting - and that is because the religion of the WT was split - there were many of the 'old' Bible Students who still supported Russell's Zionist doctrine imprisoned along with the 'new' JWs who did not support Zionism. The work camps became the place where this 'sifting' occurred. Along with the accounts of Bible Students being killed and tortured, are the accounts of the JWs who received special privileges from Himmler's SS.

    By the time the war ended in 1945, Himmler had made arrangements to release the JWs sent on work assignments with just a handshake - they didn't have to sign a declaration denouncing their religion. The JWs who took these privileged positions with the SS were considered 'partially free'.

    Himmler's plans for after the war included using the JWs as a vanguard in areas that Germany would have control. Himmler had great admiration for the JWs loyalty - the same quality that he held his SS troops to.

    Some researchers have pointed to 1942 as the date that the JWs started to be treated better in the work camps. There are various reason given as to why this occurred, but what is left out of the narrative is that Rutherford died in 1942. It was Knorr who was in charge of the WT when this apparent shift in treatment occurred.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    @ OrphanCrow...

    Wow.

    I didn't know any of that.

  • TheFadingAlbatros
    TheFadingAlbatros
    I do not think Mr. RutherCadillac has been very affected by the persecution of JWs in Germany, so long as he could drive across the Pond his car and drink glasses of whisky or something else maybe stronger, and be feared or worshipped by his rank and file slaves just like God in person.. Maybe it suited him nicely to a certain extent to be part of a martyred organization, as long as he could reign from the top of his his ivory tower.
  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow
    Vidiot: @ OrphanCrow...
    Wow.
    I didn't know any of that.

    Vidiot, there is much about the JWs and Nazi Germany that is not well known. The WTS has been very active in promoting their own version of events but there are many untold stories of what really happened 'over the pond' in Germany leading up to and during the war years.

    Rutherford and the German WT prepared well for the events that led to Hitler "getting pissed off" with the "Declaration of Facts" that were presented to him in 1933.

    Not only did the German WT have lawyers who were card carrying members of the Nazi party, the convention that was held in Berlin during the summer of 1933 - the same year that Hitler rose to power - was designed to show support of the Nazi party. The stage had Nazi flags hanging behind the speakers, and the opening song was one that had not been used for quite some time within the ranks of the German JWs.

    The song chosen to be sung at the JW 1933 Berlin convention was set to the music of Adolph Hitler's favorite song - one that the German soldiers had sang at the front during the First World War, a soldier's song which had been adopted as the German national anthem in 1922..

    Nevertheless, in spite of the efforts of Rutherford to ingratiate the JWs with Hitler by all these preparations (including a history of espousing eugenics in a 1931 Golden Age magazine), where Rutherford failed to please Hitler was in his assertion that the world would be ruled by God - Rutherford laid claim to the Thousand Year Reign of Christ whereas Hitler saw the Thousand Year Reign about to occur on the heels of WW2, as being ruled by the Third Reich. It was on that critical point that Hitler and Rutherford disagreed and Hitler got pissed at Rutherford.

    I had said in my other post that Rutherford didn't really piss off Hitler, but he did - he challenged the authority of the Third Reich and, in response, retaliated against Hitler with the JW leaflet campaigns. This resulted in many more arrests of both JWs and Bible Students - of those imprisoned, over half would sign the allegiance to Germany and get released. Of those remaining, it eventually became more advantageous not to sign - signing meant that you would get sent to the front.

    The WTS brags about those "who stood up to Hitler" but fails to mention those who collaborated with the Nazis, and those who did sign the release forms required that showed allegiance to Nazi Germany.

    The WTS also fails to mention the many, many JWs who were placed in privileged positions both within, and outside of, the work camps. Positions that ensured that many of the JWs sat out the war in relative comfort and safety. These JW 'volunteer prisoners' were considered 'partially free' by the end of the war, released on a handshake by the SS man himself - Heinrich Himmler.

    And it is that man - Heinrich Himmler, the head of the SS - that is the one is the most interesting to investigate when examining the JWs in Germany during WW2.


  • greenhornet
    greenhornet
    Very interesting. Good knowledge base

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