by DATA-DOG 15 Replies latest watchtower bible
That's what a speaker at the KH said. He also said that "paradise" in the bible is always earthly. I have reviewed JWfacts again here:
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/earth-forever.php#L1
What about the statement concerning the Jews not believing in heaven? I assume it is also incorrect.
DD
most christians, even catholics whether they all know it or not, believed in a bodily resurrection/earthly.
Look up cremation, and also if asked around, many christian religions forbid it since it was a pagan practice and a denial of a bodily resurrection but a belief in immortal spirit.
I was taught in the 80's at the Synagogue as a Jew that the Messiah would come and ressurect the dead to earth, this was around the time of MJs Thriller video. So I can remember what the teaching was.
It was not a firm belief though, as Jews you can speculate and even be an Atheist if you wish. we were not formally taught about heaven. We had discussions about whether or not we believed in it.
Kate xx
Interesting, is that the "restoration of all things." I have been told that the ancient Jews believed in it. I don't know all the details. When I hear a goofy dub say something is a "fact", I tend to start questioning. I guess I am a Satanic independent thinker.
EOM, do you mean that they believed they would come back someday and need a body? Did that belief have anything to do with the burning of heretics? That would be an added insult, being burned.
DD
Interesting, is that the "restoration of all things."- DD
No. We were not taught that, but I was in one type of sect. Each sect has there own teachings, but the fundementals are pretty similar. Most things were taught as stories with morals, not actual fact. So future prophesies were all speculative. But "restoration of all things" was not a teaching in my Hebrew classes.
Kate xx
I know one christian who believes that when people die, they are in heaven, waiting for the future when they will be returned to the new earth in a physical body again.
But here are a few beliefs about cremation I found on wiki and reasons why certain faiths don't believe in it. I thought JW's were the only christians who believed in a bodily resurrection but they aren't and what's even more interesting is that most christian religions forbid cremation because it was pagan, yet JW's who accuse other christians of pagan practices w/ holidays don't think twice about cremation.....
The Catholic Church 's discouragement of cremation stemmed from several ideas: first, that the body, as the instrument through which the sacraments are received, is itself a sacramental, holy object; [34] second, that as an integral part of the human person, [35] it should be disposed of in a way that honours and reverences it, and many early practices involved with disposal of dead bodies were viewed as pagan in origin or an insult to the body; [36] and third, that it constituted a denial of the resurrection of the body. [37] Cremation was forbidden because it might interfere with God's ability to resurrect the body; however, this was refuted as early as Minucius Felix , in his dialogue Octavius . [38]
In Orthodoxy, cremation is a rejection of the dogma of the general resurrection, and as such is viewed harshly.
he Orthodox Jews have maintained a stricter line on cremation, and disapprove of it as Halakha (Jewish law) forbids it. This halakhic concern is grounded in the upholding of bodily resurrection as a core belief of traditional Judaism, as opposed to other ancient trends such as the Sadduccees , who denied it. Conservative Jewish groups also oppose cremation.
Criticism of burial rites is a common aspersion in competing religions and cultures, and one is the association of cremation with fire sacrifice or human sacrifice .
Christianity frowned upon cremation, both influenced by the tenets of Judaism, and in an attempt to abolish Graeco-Roman pagan rituals. By the 5th century, the practice of cremation had practically disappeared from Europe.
( So it's very interesting to me that even so called pagan christianity according to the JW's had rejected cremation as a pagan practice, yet Rutherford or somepoint in the WT, the GB decides it's okay to do it. In the bible, God's people were buried not cremated as well. )
DD said-
That's what a speaker at the KH said. He also said that "paradise" in the bible is always earthly. What about the statement concerning the Jews not believing in heaven? I assume it is also incorrect.
Here's the answer, straight from the horse's mouth (1908 edition):
My Anglican priest, low church, taught us that we don't know what happens when we die. The Bible, esp. Paul, would believe in a resurrection to a fleshly body on earth. She said that Jesus said the very rocks could be resurrected to replace Abraham's descendents. God can ressurect with cremation. There are many good reasons to cremate.
Orthodox icons are flat b/c they opposed pagan pictures and statues that were multidimensional. The Western Church never made such a rule. I always wondered why icons are incredibly flat.
I don't believe most Christians know the teachings of their denomination concerning heaven or earth. There are columbariums in most Episcopal churches I know. They are located in the main church structure. Ashes are interred. It is less depressing than a cemetery. There is a special service.
That's not what we're listening to on Jewisheyes.org. They believe the Messiah has come and is coming again and the earth will be a paradise. Even Yeshuah stated in John 4:22 salvation begins with the jews. He didn't say a jew but the jews. There's a messianic hebrew movement that's multiplying worldwide and with no organisation, church or synogogues. No golden calf to follow.
