'Evolution' of the Creative Days length

by Syme 21 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Syme

  We all know that WTS likes to distance itself from the Young Earth Creationists, who believe in the literal 6-day creation.

  So are we supposed to be something fundamentally different from the YECs? Not so much...

  I did some research some time ago about what the society believes abouth the length of the creative days. This is what I found:

  Publications written in the 60's and 70's: the creative days are 7,000 years each. (with regards to geological time, this is about the same as 24 hours; no big difference to YECs)

  In the 80's and 90's this appears instead: The creative days conist of thousands of years each. (how many thousands? Tens? Hundreds? Millions?)

  However, in a 1987 Questions from Readers, the "7,000 length" view is repeated again (for the last time).

  In the 00's, this changes to: The creative days consist of long periods of time. (right. Very specific!) In recent publications, you'll see the "thousands" word has been dropped off completely.

  And the best for the last: the Life (lf) brochure (2010) in p.23,24 has a graph depicting a soccer field. This represents the 4.5 billion years of Earth's history. A line is drawn at 1/8 the length of the field, representing the Cambrian explosion, which represents supposedly the creation of animals (hilarious, but our point is the length of the days). So: 1/8 of 4.5 Bya = 562.5 Mya ==> So, the creative days took place over 500 M years ago, says the Watchtower. Now, that's a step forward. But if the creative days last so long, then what about the 7th day? When was Adam created? If all days have equal length, when will the Millenium begin? In some million years??? You see the whole 7 days theology breaks down.

  One good point is that the WTS seems to be getting closer and closer to scientific facts as decades pass by, albeit in a giant turtle speed. Maybe in some future generation it will endorse theistic evolution, who knows.
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  bohm

  Syme:

  I think the WT view is far more derpy than that. I think a careful reading of the paragraph show they are only claiming that some scientists say the cambrian occured 500mio years ago and IF SO the following applies. In other words, it allow a reader who believe a 7000year creative day to stay in that belief while at the same time not scare of JWs who do not or have never heard about the 7000 year creative day.

  In my oppinion the WTs view on evolution and noahs ark is to have no concrete view except evolution did not happen and noahs ark did.

  They pretend to say something without actually saying anything which can be attributed to them. For the same reason the new brochures make almost no actual arguments. A large part of the arguments merely state an evolutionary finding (or a strawman), then ask "is this really true?", then state a quote by a scientist only marginally in context which seem to oppose the evolutionary account, then ask a follow-up question like "but if (some summary of the quote) is true, can we really trust (whatever the evidence was)?". Notice this type of statement can never be shown to be false as long as they use an actual quote.

  This is the only way to argue something where you know anything you say will have a great chance to be shown to be false later.
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  Perry

  There is little difference between JW's and a Godless Naturalism worldview.

  The 10 Best Evidences from Science that Confirm a Young Earth

  #1 Very Little Sediment on the Seafloor

  For Additional Information:

  • The Sands of Time: A Biblical Model of Deep Sea-Floor Sedimentation
  • The Sands of Time: A Biblical Model of Deep Sea-Floor Sedimentation (pdf)
  • “ Sea Salt, Erosion, and Sediments ” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past 1 (pdf)

  #2 Bent Rock Layers

  For Additional Information:

  • Rock Layers Folded, Not Fractured
  • “Soft-Sediment Deformation Features” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past 1 (pdf)
  • “Megasequences of North America” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past 1 (pdf)

  #3 Soft Tissue in Fossils

  For Additional Information:

  • Two: Those Not-So-Dry Bones
  • More Soft Tissue in “Old Fossils”

  #4 Faint Sun Paradox

  For Additional Information:

  • The Young Faint Sun Paradox and the Age of the Solar System

  #5 Rapidly Decaying Magnetic Field

  For Additional Information:

  • The Earth’s Magnetic Field Is Young
  • The Earth’s Magnetic Field and the Age of the Earth
  • “The Earth’s Magnetic Field” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past 1 (pdf)

  #6 Helium in Radioactive Rocks

  For Additional Information:

  • Helium Diffusion Rates Support Accelerated Nuclear Decay
  • Young Helium Diffusion Age of Zircons Supports Accelerated Nuclear Decay
  • The Age of the Earth’s Atmosphere Estimated by its Helium Content
  • “Helium in Rocks and in the Atmosphere” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past 1 (pdf)

  #7 Carbon-14 in Fossils, Coal, and Diamonds

  For Additional Information:

  • Carbon-14 in Fossils and Diamonds
  • Carbon-14 Evidence for a Recent Global Flood and a Young Earth
  • Measurable 14C in Fossilized Organic Materials: Confirming the Young Earth Creation-Flood Model
  • “The Pitfalls in the Radioactive Dating Methods—The Radiocarbon Dating Method” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past 1 (pdf)
  • “Carbon-14 Dating” from Thousands . . . not Billions 2 (pdf)

  #8 Short-Lived Comets

  For Additional Information:

  • Comets and the Age of the Solar System
  • Kuiper Belt Objects: Solution to Short-Period Comets?
  • More Problems for the ‘Oort Comet Cloud’

  #9 Very Little Salt in the Sea

  For Additional Information:

  • The Sea’s Missing Salt: A Dilemma for Evolutionists
  “

  Sea Salt, Erosion, and Sediments

  ” from

  Earth’s Catastrophic Past 1

  (pdf)

  #10 DNA in “Ancient” Bacteria

  For Additional Information:

  • Bacterial Life in Ancient Salt
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  bohm

  OT perry. Start a new thread and copy-paste your crap there.
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  designs

  Creation Ministries International stuff is about as reliable and honest as the Wt. Trinity Brochure. They've been called on their s#*t numerous times by the authors they cited.

  Wt. will try to make the "derpy" (great word) position but like any group that takes the Bible seriously, and not just a bunch of allegories, they are stuck with "kind begets kind" and the lineage of Adam. Saying the first human appeared 6000 years is a big obsticle they cannot overcome until they take the position of groups like Catholics who finally threw in the towel and said the Genesis account was an allegory.

  The RCC says God started the evoluntionary process and somehow made humans special with a soul etc., that is where the Wt. needs to evolve to.

  You could probably say the death of Genesis occured in 1800CE when astronomers Caroline and William Herschel charted distant galaxies with their new telescope applying Newton's mathematics.
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  Comatose

  Fascinating info Syme, Designs, and Bohm. Hard to believe that they really still argue for short days...
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  designs

  Groups like Creation Ministries aren't shy about misleading their followers. Dr. Mary Schweitzer, anthropologist, discovered soft tissue in dinosaurs. The CMI group took this a 'proof' T-Rex lived less than 6000 years ago (great charts and graphs) except one thing- Dr. Schweitzer called them on it. Her findings were from the Cenozoic/Eocene period 50-70 million years ago.

  68,000,000 v 6000 you decide
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  cantleave

  Perry's ability to paste links to so much pseudo science is astounding.
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  KateWild

  LOL cantleave funny, especially as I reacall reading a link from you from a psychic science website, okay the chemistry was correct but the site as a whole was nonsense.

  Sorry I had to call you on it I couldn't resist Sam xx
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  KateWild

  This is the only way to argue something where you know anything you say will have a great chance to be shown to be false later.- bohm

  You make a good point there, but this does not negate the likelyhood there is an intelligent creator. Kate xx