So what if they were wrong?

by DS211 35 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • BluesBrother

    Actually the vast majority of interpretations of prophecy are absolutely spot on.

    Of course it looks that way because the WTS makes the interpretation and application of prophecy (e g Daniel or Rev) and there is nobody to say that they are wrong. If Churches have another answer, it is dismissed ..

  • minimus

    What they said this week is spot on!

  • steve2

    The removal of the statement on the inside

    cover of the awake magazine that this world would end before the generation that saw 1914 passes away was "spot on" - they got that right. Duh!

  • Separation of Powers
    Separation of Powers

    "So what if they were wrong?" Listen, if I am investing my life savings with a financial planner, I try to make sure that he is competent (or she). If he is "wrong" than all my life's savings is in jeopardy of being lost. With the org, if they are wrong than my life is in jeopardy of being wasted. Being wrong is unacceptable and should be for God's one true channel.



    “Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years. "




    Sorry, that was supposed to be on another thread. Still, had the JWs paid attention to that, they would not discount Babylonian astronomical records and many of their false prophecies failed expectations would never have happened.


  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    When one questions prophecy without indicting the Watchtower leaders, is there any attitude adjustment?

    For example, if one asked who the two "witnesses" were in Revelation 11, and which temple John was measuring in the same chapter, would anyone attempt to answer them? Or is there a biblical commentary that's available that attempts to answer questions like that? The thing about prophecy is that a Christian can read Isaiah 53 and clearly see Jesus as the fulfillment; however, Jewish scholars read the same text and say, no, Isaiah was speaking of a nation, not the Messiah. Since the Bible was not broken into chapters until much later, many people don't read what comes before. In Isaiah 52, the prophet states, " Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high. As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider."

    Putting the above at the beginning of the next chapter certainly would have put it more in context and show that Isaiah is referring to a person. Instead, when one begins reading Isaiah 53, it states: "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." But who is "him" and "he"? If you hadn't read the chapter before or weren't aware of how the continuity worked, it would be a mystery.

    The Governing Body seeks to interpret some prophecies, but then ignores many others entirely. This goes beyong what is right, or accurate, and what is inaccurate. The Society teaches that Armageddon will be the final conflagration, but it ignores other tiny details such as where it would be and who it would involve. Its teachings on Gog and Magog are equally as tenuous. Ezekiel spends pages speaking of it in detail (chapters 38-39), and yet the Society relegates it to little more than footnotes and it's not clear where, when and if it's happened. Is it the same battle that's described by Zechariah (12-14) and John (Rev. 11-12), when he speaks of Armageddon? All speak of a final assault on Jerusalem, all speak of a last minute salvation by God; and all speak of an unprecedented time of peace afterwards and a permanent reconciliation between Judah and Yahweh.

    Many Christians have made the connections between all three accounts. It's one reason the Jews decided to hold out against the Romans, hoping it would be then that they would be rescued. To their surprise, the Romans soundly defeated them and scattered them to the ends of the earth. Before Christ's return, the Jews had to begin returning to the lands of its inheritance, and this has happened. But Bethel was completely wrong about the return of the Jews, the building of its temple and the rise of the Beast and the kingdom that will eventually try to destroy the remnant of Judah. It's that generation that will not pass away before the Lord returns. Not 1914. Already there's a major move to restore the Caliphate in Turkey, and if it's the kingdom that was, is not, and is, then it will be the place from which the Antichrist will emerge. In short, prophecy is multi-faceted and intertwined, and you can't just cherry pick the points you like and ignore the rest.

    Here's Joel Richardson speaking about the Antichrist. I don't endorse's evangelical, but it has some interesting views and am just throwing it out as an interesting point of view, and I think he may be on to something:

  • anonymouz

    In reality of world history all the national progressions of Dan2, 7, 8, 11 and Rev13 and 17 are now history. In fact other religions who recognize the meaning of international government as the United Nation nucleus borrow classic IBSA and JW prophetic interpretation.

    But JWs have now not clued their audience, or themselves in on the fact globalist world government is the final culmination of Dan2, 7, 8, 11 and Rev17. In fact Rev 17:12-18 is a an internationalization of world government based on sovereign transfer of national "power and authority" as per Daniel 11:42-45. (equalling Rev16:13-16 apex)

    JWs also cover up now as UN NGO Daniel 11:30-45 which completes the last 2 UN placements since 1990. Thus JWs are not making the connection the UN nucleus will become a world government in about a decade, and that is Armageddon's trigger event as per Dan8:25, 11:45, Dan 12:11.

    The real UN super-cycle is a 1-2-3-4 manifestation in 1919, 1945, 1990 and the future.

    So JWs do have an easily verified Dan2, 7, 8, Rev13 understanding as far as national world power progression in that contunuum of prophecy. But the completed symbols, like the WHOLE Daniel 2 "immense image", and the WHOLE "scarlet wildbeast" 8th King denote an international unification of ALL national world powers into a world government, which is also King North and King of Fierce Countenance final meanings: 8th King world government.

    That is the only part of those prophecies yet to manifest over the Dan11:42-45 King North UN world government cycle, that JWs now cover up by Bethel pro UN, UN NGO activities. (In other words Bethel is a UN subversion agency).

    Rev17:12-18 and Dan11:30-45 are all UN world government. JWs think the UN schematic is the end all form of world power, which is premature. The next financial collapse cycle of national powers will culminate as Daniel 11:42-43, which will lead in time to Daniel 11:44-45. The national worldwide debt crisis already sets up internationalized finance and monetary system deployment. (Dan11:42-43 in other words).

    A required world event(s), in my opinion, will catalyze that cycle and accelerate the national bankruptcy cycle that will end in 8th King overall recievership as per Dan11:42-43. That will facilitate an international world order of government. (Dan11:42-45 + Rev17:12-18 = Rev16:13-16)


    "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

    - David Rockefeller.

  • DS211

    No offense anonymouz because i enjoy your posts but i dont put much faith and credit to mans interpretation of prophecy, nor the time in which it will haplen...i welcome speculation and i take note of its possibility, but thats it.

  • NeverKnew

    Everything in the rear view mirror has become "spot on."

    It's that front windshield's view that seems to have some extra stuff stuck to it.

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