Does the Spirit (who is Christ) speak, and how? (page 10)

Hummingbird001

Did you read the OP? I wasn't commissioned to tell anyone a message.

Yes. I read the OP. I'm not an idiot.

But you obviously felt you had to (AGAIN) give everyone your message, rather than reply privately to one person's question.

tec

After 4 pages my questions about prayer haven't been answered. I believe in God, Tammy. I have been reading on your website what many have said about prayer.

But you have not asked a question about prayer here.

Why is Christ and God being so ambiguous with me?

The only answer I can draw is I am not one of the good sheep they want in their fold. On the road to Damascus Christ was not ambiguous with the Apostle Paul. But I don't believe what is recoorded about this vision, and then the scales over the eyes...blah blah blah.

I think you answer your own question below.

(I am quite certain that most people think Paul was also deluded, and even you do not believe the account, as you said. This was not a 'blessing' per se for Paul, Paul was confronted with the Truth... and Christ said 'I will show you how much YOU must suffer for my name'... as Paul was persecuting and killing the church)

If Christ is going to show himself, why can't he just show everyone?

Not everyone wants to see Him, or hear Him, or even wants to believe that He exists. (and not everyone is persecuting and killing those who belong to Him, so as to warrant perhaps an 'intervention' of sorts)

If he came just to me, everyone would say I have schizophrenia, and I had a hullucination. I would likely accept this. I would then seek medical help, and take medication.

Then this, love, is your answer. If you would accept what they say (and they say more than the above... they call you things like liar, delusional, demon-possessed; witch, spirit medium ; )... they said all of these things of Christ also. 'the more things change, the more they stay the same'... because PEOPLE stay the same)

If you would likely accept what 'they' say, and seek medical help and medication... and I assume that you would also be quite frightened... then how could He come to you knowing that is how you would feel and this is what you would do?

If you do not want to see until EVERYONE sees, then perhaps THAT is what you are truly asking of Him, and so then you will have to wait until everyone sees? That time is just not here yet, and until that time IS here, all may still turn and come to Him. (in fact, that time will not come until all who CAN come to Him HAVE come to Him) That does not mean that you are not a sheep, and invited into the Kingdom, though.

It is logical and loving for him to reveal himself to everyone from heaven, if he truly is interested in human affairs.

But again, not everyone WANTS Him to reveal himself.

But He has given us this promise:

"If anyone loves me, he will obey my teachings. My Father will love him, and we will come and make our home with him."

Thanks Tammy for this thread

Thank you, and peace to you, tammy

tec

Yes. I read the OP. I'm not an idiot.

But you are trying to find fault.

But you obviously felt you had to (AGAIN) give everyone your message, rather than reply privately to one person's question.

No one had to open this thread. No one had to read any 'message'. You did so by your own choice. And many have asked those questions. I could have responded privately and avoided all of "this" from some of you. But the question was not asked in private... and so the answer was not expected in private either.

Peace,

tammy

KateWild

There is a more parsimonious explanation.

Is it a more intelligent one too?

cofty

Tammy please see my post 9213 on the previous page.

Hummingbird001

But you are trying to find fault.

No. I'm doing as you suggest and "testing". Or by "test", do you mean "Just agree with me and accept all I say." ?

tec

Your thread is about your claims that you receive messages from the spirit world so my question is entirely on topic and, as yet, entirely unanswered.

I have never claimed to have received messages from the spirit world.

I hear Christ... who does speak... to anyone with ears to hear Him (and anyone may ask). I do not 'hear messages from the spirit world'.

Your defense against being labelled as a spirit medium seems to be the question about whether the source of your messages are alive or dead.

This is a red herring.

No, it is the truth, and according to the definitions given... it is also supported there. You, however, will not accept anything except what you WANT to accept. You certainly will not accept that you are wrong, despite the evidence presented that your claim that I am a spirit medium... does not match the defintions of a spirit medium. You are continuing to assert something AGAINST the evidence.

According to you, people who have died have not really dead.

No, not according to me.

People who die are dead.

They go to the world of the dead.

Except those who are in Christ (who have life IN them)... these go under the altar; but these ones are sleeping... not awake and not speaking. Plus, I have certainly NEVER heard from any of them.

Just Christ.. the living one... who speaks.

(spirit mediums also hear from multiple spirits... I do not... there is another difference for you)

You have described it many times in a way that is identical to Platonic mind-body dualism. A person's spirit is imprisoned in their body during physical life and released at physical death.

I have not said this.

The spirit lives on as fully conscious as it ever was. (I intend to post a new thread on this harmful belief when I get time)

Nope... never said this either. The dead are conscious of nothing; and those sleeping under the altar... are asleep. Not awake; not speaking.

According to Jesus the faithful who died physically are already alive - "But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ He is not the God of the dead but of the living.” - Matt 22:31,32

Yes, as they have life IN them. But they are not yet resurrected; they are not awake; they are not speaking.

It would follow that receiving a communication from the spirit of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or my great aunt Mabel is not a message from a dead person but from the living. To say otherwise is to go put the OT over Jesus' revelation.

It would follow... if these ones are under the altar... that they are alive; but not that they are conscious and awake and speaking. They are not.

Your defense that it is ok to communicate with live spirits but not with the dead must therefore also apply to communcating with my great aunt Mabel.

My defense is simply the definition of a spirit medium... who acts as a medium between the living and the dead. Something I do not do. Period. You have YET to show that I fit that definition.

As for your definition of "medium" it is still not clear what your point is.

It is not clear to you because you do not want to see it. So you don't. Perhaps you no longer can.

You receive messages from a the spirit you call christ and you pass those on to others. A number of times recently, even in this thread, you have told me that the spirit has asked me a question via your mediumship.

I hear from the Spirit, who is Christ... as do others. As can anyone. I believe I also said that He told ME something, or asked ME something, and I shared that with YOU. No different than someone learning something from a teacher... and sharing that knoweldge; or seeing something, and giving their witness.

Perhaps you need to read more carefully.

You frequently post new threads that begin with grandiose pronouncements for everybody from christ the spirit.

I don't think this word... 'frequently' means what you think it means.

But again, do you not also share good news that you hear? From whatever source?

You may see a difference between what you are doing and the practices of a spirit medium but the distiction exists only in your own mind.

My mind... and according to my Lord, and in the dictionary defintions, and in the bible.

Peace,

tammy

braincleaned

" Not everyone wants to see Him, or hear Him..."

If I may, it is quite judgemental to accuse others of not "wanting" to hear Christ.
I have read many here that beg to have an interaction with Christ and hear his voice!

(Not me of course; I believe the whole thing is a delusion, and more clinical than spiritual.)

tec

Actually, the references to prove that the Apostles and others also heard voices just make my point.
The scriptures are written by people who hear voices... so I rest my case. ;)

A voice, but yes. At least one former believer is honest enough to admit to this... that the apostles and others also heard the voice of Christ. (according to what is written)

Peace to you!

tammy

cofty

This is a textbook example of prevarication and obfuscation. A less generous description would be lying.

It is impossible to have a conversation with somebody who makes up the definitions of words as they go along.

You and charlatans like Mystic Meg are of the same ilk. The difference is she doesn't hide behind a self-righteous personna.

Does the Spirit (who is Christ) speak, and how?

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