by Comatose 47 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
The "seven times" are interpreted as 7 lunar years with each year consisting of 360 days. ...
... The other point of interest is that the 2,520 years is calculated using lunar years of 360 days each.
Again. A lunar year does not have 360 days. See my post above.
thx for the link Jeffro... more to read.
Just to be very clear, and all you guys who have this straight in your minds, please be patient with me.
1) The Bible does not say that Judah would be desolate for 70 years. (?)
2) The Bible does say, without time constraint, that the land would be desolate, this too is not an accurate prophecy, like so many Bible "prophecys". Archaeology shows that the land was never completely uninhabited. (?)
3) 587 for the fall of Jerusalem does not conflict with what the Bible actually says (?).
I believe the bible says these nations in plural form, so no it does not say Judah had to be for a full 70 years. More accurately the prophesy would indicate that nations plural would be for 70 years. So Judah was for 40-50 years, and a person could say that wouldn't technically make the prophecy wrong If other nations were prior to Judah For a total of 70.
587 agrees exactly WITH the bible. With no fuzzy math and crazy magic math it fits perfectly. Secular history and the bible agree. The WT invents an imaginary king or kings who must have also ruled to get to 607.
Russell used 536-70 to get 606, but WTS lie when they say Russell made a zero year error. He understood the maths far better than the WTS understood his work. The calculation can be found in Studies in the Scriptures vol 2 The Time is at Hand studyIV pgs 73 to 102. Russell calculates from the start of 606 to the end of 1914, 2300 years, how ever he makes it clear that he understands the zero year error Miller made with 1843, and in his chronology he understood that the Jewish years had their start in Trishri of the previous year. Therefore when he shows start 1915 or end 1914 it means Trishri or as he states it as October 1914.
Rev John Aquila Brown first produced a 7 times prophecy date using 604 the first year of Nebuchadrezzar as his start point, not the desolation of Jerusalem, and had an end date of 1917.
The 1799 is Russells date for the end of the papacy, 1260 yrs from it's inception in 539, from this start date using the 1335 yrs Dan 12 he reached 1874 and with the addition of 40yrs made up from the last week of the 70 weeks, 7years plus the 33 yrs between the end of the 70 weeks and the 2nd Roman destruction. The 1874 date was adapted from Millers original prophecy of 1843 by exchanging Millers 1290yrs which was deducted from the fall of the papacy with Russell's 1260 figure and thus advancing the invisible return by thirty years to 1874.
Hope this helps.
Phizzy:
1) The Bible does not say that Judah would be desolate for 70 years. (?)
Jeremiah does not say it, correct. Daniel 9 and 2 Chronicles 36 reference Jeremiah's initial prophecy but are worded in such a way that misunderstandings can occur.
2) The Bible does say, without time constraint, that the land would be desolate, this too is not an accurate prophecy, like so many Bible "prophecys". Archaeology shows that the land was never completely uninhabited. (?)
'Desolate, without inhabitant' is prophetic hyperbole. However, the land was ravaged with great numbers deported to Babylon.
3) 587 for the fall of Jerusalem does not conflict with what the Bible actually says (?).
True.
Bart - Russell only really tackled the 'zero year' problem in 1912. It didn't result in him moving 606 to 607 BCE, but it did prompt him to give more wiggle room for the end - 1915 tops. See ZWT 1912, December 1, R5141-2.
I believe somebody mentioned the 2011 Watchtower articles on the subject.
Here are links to discussions of those articles that helped me:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/213808/12/When-Was-Ancient-Jerusalem-Destroyed-Why-It-Matters-What-the-Evidence-Shows
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/215282/1/WT-Nov-1-2011-public-When-Was-Ancient-Jerusalem-Destroyed-Part-2
Phizzy:
1) The Bible does not say that Judah would be desolate for 70 years. (?)
The New World Translation translates Jeremiah 29:10 incorrectly, and interprets the reference to that verse at Daniel 9:2 in a similarly wrong manner. A parenthetical reference to paying off Sabbaths, which was a reference to Leviticus and not 'the word of Jeremiah', is incorrectly used in the NWT (and various other translations) at 2 Chronicles 36:21. The Bible never refers to 70 years of exile.
2) The Bible does say, without time constraint, that the land would be desolate, this too is not an accurate prophecy, like so many Bible "prophecys". Archaeology shows that the land was never completely uninhabited. (?)
It's hyperbole. The Bible also says Babylon would be uninhabited. Hundreds of thousands of people live in Babylon province.
3) 587 for the fall of Jerusalem does not conflict with what the Bible actually says (?).
Yes.
